Monday, May 5, 2025



Why Black Lives Matter Isn’t What You Think

The opinions, beliefs, and arguments of this opinion piece do not align with the viewpoints or priorities of The Wesleyan Argus as a student-led institution. Not only are the arguments in this piece generalized and oversimplified, but they fail to contextualize the Black Lives Matter movement and the systemic, historical background behind police violence against communities of color in the U.S. The Wesleyan Argus believes that writing articles pertaining to Black Lives Matter and institutional racism in the United States requires a much more comprehensive, reflective lens.

 

A 20-year-old man walks into a church and massacres nine people, claiming that he was afraid that America was being taken over by Black Americans, citing American race relations as evidence. About a month later, a man wears a GoPro, tapes himself walking up to a local reporter and a cameraman, and shoots them both on camera, proclaiming racial injustice in this country as his motive.

Police officers are looking over their shoulders as several cops have been targeted and gunned down. The week before classes started, seven officers were killed in the line of duty; a few were execution-style targeted killings.

An officer I talked to put it succinctly: “If they want to come after me, fine. Just come at me head on. Don’t shoot me in the back of my head. I’d rather go down with a fighting chance.”

Is this an atmosphere created by the police officers and racist elements in society itself? Many, including individuals in the Black Lives Matter movement, believe so.

Or is it because of Black Lives Matter? Many believe that as well, including a police chief who made his remarks after one of his officers was shot and killed—he claimed that Black Lives Matter was responsible for the officer’s death. Some want Black Lives Matter labeled as a hate group.

I talked to a Black Lives Matter supporter, Michael Smith ’18, who recoiled when I told him I was wondering if the movement was legitimate. This is not questioning their claims of racism among the police, or in society itself. Rather, is the movement itself actually achieving anything positive? Does it have the potential for positive change?

There is evidence to support both views. Police forces around the country are making more of an effort to be more transparent, have undergone investigations to root out racist officers and policies, and have forced the conversation to the front pages after being buried on the back pages for far too long.

On the other hand, following the Baltimore riots, the city saw a big spike in murders. Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home. The officer’s comments reminded me of what soldiers used to say after being hit with IEDs in Iraq. Police forces with a wartime-like mentality are never a good thing.

Smith countered with, “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

I responded with, “Isn’t that what the movement is doing with the police? Judging an entire profession off the actions of a few members?”

Hence, my concerns that the movement is not legitimate, or at the very least, hypocritical.

It is apparent that the man who shot the reporter and her cameraman isn’t a representation of Black Lives Matter. The question is whether or not the movement is setting the conditions of the more extreme or mentally disturbed individuals to commit atrocities.

Smith explained further. “Yes, but the police have an established system of reporting the bad officers. BLM is decentralized, they aren’t as organized. You can’t hold the more moderate elements responsible for what a crazy person does in their name.”

Perhaps. But that doesn’t explain Black Lives Matter rallies from cheering after an officer is killed, chanting that they want more pigs to fry like bacon. That wasn’t one or two people. The movement also doesn’t want to be associated with looters and rioters, calling them opportunistic. But it is plausible that Black Lives Matter has created the conditions for these individuals to exploit for their own personal gain.

I warned in an article last semester that a movement that does not combat its own extremists will quickly run into trouble. The reasons why are now self-evident. If Black Lives Matter is going to be the one responsible for generating these conversations, then a significant portion of that conversation needs to be about peace. They need to stand with police units that lose a member, decrying it with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian.

Smith does have a point, though. An organization cannot be labeled based of a small percentage of their membership. There is a reason why so many have shown up to protests across the country: there is clearly something wrong, and wrong enough to motivate them to exit their homes and express their frustration publicly. That is no small effort. The system is clearly failing many, and unfortunately they feel like they will only be listened to if their protests reach the front pages of the news. And so far, they are correct.

But this principle needs to be applied universally. I know many of us here at Wesleyan realize that most police officers are good people simply doing a service for their community, and that there are only a few bad apples. But those chanting to fry the pigs seem to have missed this message.

It boils down to this for me: If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message, then I will not support the movement, I cannot support the movement. And many Americans feel the same. I should repeat, I do support many of the efforts by the more moderate activists.

It is advice that I need to take myself. After the Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay marriage nation-wide, a few liberals gloated in a conservative political forum that I like to read. They were surprised by the reaction: every conservative who responded was happy with the ruling.

I realize that moderate conservatives need to speak up more as well. If we had, gay marriage might have been legalized years ago. Instead, I got the feeling that a lot of moderate conservatives were afraid of speaking up about the issue and being labeled as a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

I also understand the frustration of moderate Black Lives Matter members, like the one I talked to, about being stereotyped based off of a few radical and vocal members.

Kim Davis, the misguided clerk who is refusing to hand out marriage licenses, is a perfect example of this. As a conservative, it is infuriating to see one clerk in one city out of the thousands in conservative states making headlines, when the rest are handing out licenses with no issue. One clerk is making headlines and is being held up as evidence that conservatives hate homosexuality. Kim Davis generated a couple hundred supporters, a very small showing.

Yet I am not innocent when it comes to Kim Davis. I could have gone down to the courthouse and joined the counter protest, holding up a sign that says “conservatives for gay marriage rights,” and made a statement that Kim Davis is not representative of the mainstream conservative views. I don’t blame those who can’t support conservatives for not being more vocally pro-gay rights, though many liberal politicians were also silent on the issue during the 1990s and 2000s.

Returning to Black Lives Matter, the country is nervously waiting to see what happens next. The next unarmed civilian to be killed, the next officer to be killed, the next radical racist to take their views to the next level.

At some point Black Lives Matter is going to be confronted with an uncomfortable question, if they haven’t already begun asking it: Is this all worth it? Is it worth another riot that destroys a downtown district? Another death, another massacre? At what point will Black Lives Matter go back to the drawing table and rethink how they are approaching the problem?

Bryan Stascavage is a member of the Class of 2018.

Comments

999 responses to “Why Black Lives Matter Isn’t What You Think”

  1. Brick Tamland Avatar
    Brick Tamland

    “Smith countered with, ‘You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.’

    I responded with, “Isn’t that what the movement is doing with the police? Judging an entire profession off the actions of a few members?’”

    Whammy. Right on the nose.

    Well done, sir. This is a tough subject for everyone, and I think you nailed a lot of key points.

    1. Me Avatar
      Me

      No. The police are SYSTEMICALLY oppressive as an institution. That is the difference.

      1. Spin Avatar
        Spin

        This can be interpreted at least three different ways, it’s unclear what you mean:

        Do you mean systematically meaning “everywhere”? Racial discrimination seems to be more problematic in some areas.

        Are you saying that enforcing laws that maintain property rights is systematic oppression?

        Or are you saying that because police are part of the government, that dysfunctional policing means that part of gov’t is broken? I don’t think too many people are arguing that policing can’t be improved with respect to treating people as people. Finding officials (and techniques) able to do that without making it impossible for police to do their job is the hard (and expensive) part. For example, Mayor deBlasio came into power thinking the city had too many cops, and that reducing the number and money spent on policing would lead to better conditions for minorities. Instead reducing the number of cops lead to increasing stress on the remaining cops, with more examples of cops reacting badly to stress. Counterintuitive, and counterproductive. A more thoughtful approach is needed.

    2. nononooooo Avatar
      nononooooo

      I see your friend Bryan has a future writing for Buzzfeed. The problem with your friend’s reporting is that it lacks research. Officer Smith makes a very valid point, “you can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists,” that applies to the BLM movement as well. 1) Your friend’s article lacks scope because he’s relied on his own understanding. 2) He brings up a homicidal man who’s shooting of fellow journalists has no connection to the black lives movement, which tackles the systematic discrimination against black and hispanic individuals, as an example of the issues with the BLM 3) His writing is hypocritical as he mentions Officer Smith’s very valid point that “you can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.” Yet tries to paint the movement as holding hate for what a few extremists have done. Im a little older not by much, 27, and I would like to tell you younger ones a story. Growing up in a lower income community it was not news to hear of cops planting drugs/weapons on black and hispanic people, assaulting and or killing them. It WAS news however when I saw at 9 years old, the news finally reporting the egregious acts of criminal police officers in the case of the assault of Abner Louima (violently sodomized and later hospitalized for 2 months by police officers in brooklyn in 1997). The police officers lost their jobs and were convicted, not of assault, but of obstruction of justice…THIS RULING WAS OVERTURNED IN 2002. I was shocked again when the assault by police I had the opportunity to see in real life was again showed on network news in 1999 when Amadou Diallo, a taxi driver, was shot 41 times by 4 police officers in the Bronx. The four police officers were ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. One officer Kenneth Boss was essentially put on desk duty and requested that Ray Kelly grant him his gun back, ridiculous I know…the nerve AND he was given his gun back 13 years after the fatal shooting. 7 years later Sean Bell, a man about to get married, was gunned down, this time, with 50 shots into the innocent groom to be and they even took the time to reload. The officers involved were mostly fired. It is also necessary to add that these are the incidents that were reported. What happened to the people who were shot once or twice to death..that simply is not newsworthy so persons who rely on news for incidents of police brutality would never know the thousands of men and women killed by police in the last 20/30 years nevermind in the years before. I must also add that these criminal police officers all mentioned, with the exception of those in the Abner Louima case, received pensions upon their firing for $80k-upwards of 100k/year. So the message to a black girl in NYC growing up was that assault a black man no good. Kill a black man..quit the force or be fired and make $100,000 per year until I die. That, my friends, is what the black lives matter movement is trying to correct. So you asked “Is this all worth it?” YES. “Is it worth another riot that destroys a downtown district?” YES. I don’t stand for rioting but I do stand for protest and a great man once said “rioting is the language of the unheard”. These communities are tired of being unheard so try giving a listen. “Another death, another massacre?” Another death and another massacre occurs in our community whether it is upon your knowledge or not and often times the family of the victims receive no justice if the shooting is by an officer so… YES. “At what point will Black Lives Matter go back to the drawing table and rethink how they are approaching the problem?” Here, I will answer a question with a question… “At what point will you stop depending on the surface of what you see as what you know and when will you start to do your research?”

      1. TrueStory Avatar
        TrueStory

        If Bryan does not read and respond to this comment, his integrity as a journalist is invalid.

      2. Brick Tamland Avatar
        Brick Tamland

        You have too much time on your hand, friend. Get a hobby.

        Also: They’re called paragraph breaks. Use them. No one likes unreadable slabs of rambling blather.

        1. Wow Avatar
          Wow

          Hobby? How about a job??

      3. Wow Avatar
        Wow

        Bryan, nice article. You got the yuppies in a roar! This guy crying about research… Smh

      4. Nathan Avatar
        Nathan

        Good luck getting ANY law enforcement types to help you out when you need it the most. I’ll repeat myself ONE MORE TIME!!!
        Prosecute the bad apples as they come along and quit stereotyping the hard-working, ill-appreciated remaining police officers. They put their life on the line EVERY DAY to make sure America remains’ a law-abiding society that isn’t reduced to rioting in the streets when things go south…
        Ferguson and Baltimore…the blame their is entirely at the feet of the BLM movement…and the opportunistic vultures that LOVE the media face time so they can be relevant again (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton…and that idiot cowboy-hat wearing politician from Houston)

      5. Buck Avatar
        Buck

        1) Your comment lacks scope because you’ve relied on your own understanding. 2) You bring up several cases that are about rape by a bunch of bad people that has nothing to do with BLM, 3) You ignore the chants and signs prevalent in most demonstrations.
        Sure, all of those drugs and weapons were planted on all of those black people and no black person ever committed any crime. Just like Michael Brown had his hands up, Trayvon was being chased and shot in the back, and Tyrone Harris, Jr. never touched a gun in his life.

      6.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Hypothetical: You are a police officer called to the scene of a crime. You encounter a violent criminal who has caused damage to innocent civilians and/or their property. How do you wish the police handle this situation? What protocol do you propose the police use?

        I anticipate you have not drafted your own proposed protocol for apprehending violent criminals who are not likely to turn themselves in. Why don’t you take some time and consider how you would stop a violent individual and how you would want the police to stop a violent person who might harm your loved ones or your property. Draft out an unbiased protocol that police can apply in all situations.

        I would argue that it is unfair to criticize others (police forces attempting to stop violent criminals from harming communities) if you don’t have a better alternative to propose.

    3. TrueStory Avatar
      TrueStory

      Dude, your name is Brick.. I can’t listen to you.

      1. Spin Avatar
        Spin

        Child of Rock Hudson and Stone Phillips.

      2. Brick Tamland Avatar
        Brick Tamland

        You aren’t listening to me. You are reading words that I am typing.

    4. Dylan A-C Avatar
      Dylan A-C

      Yea, no. This is a horrible parallel. There’s a *massive* difference between the killing of an innocent officer by a civilian and the killing of an innocent civilian by an officer. We *give* the police the power to kill us because we *trust* that they will use it to protect us, and that bestows on them a massive responsibility which regular people—as well as members of BLM—simply don’t carry. We only give them this power because we basically *don’t* trust others in the general public to protect us, or to refrain from doing us harm. So when a citizen kills an officer, yes, that’s tragic, but when an officer kills a citizen it’s appalling. It’s completely reasonable in the wake of the latter to question the entire system of trust which enabled the killing—what the writer calls “judging an entire profession.” Yes, when a profession, whose sole purpose is to maintain public safety, systematically endangers a select portion of the public, that profession deserves criticism.

      There’s also a massive difference between being tangentially/ideologically connected to a movement and wearing a fucking badge, but I don’t even feel like that should have to be stated.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Wow, they’ve really lowered the standards for admission into Wesleyan. When a citizen kills an officer, he’s committing a crime a notch higher murdering another citizen.

      2. Nathan Avatar
        Nathan

        Soooooo, a police officer targeting and intentionally killing a civilian is somehow worse than a civilian intentionally targeting/killing a law enforcement officer in uniform? Your logic make absolutely no sense and leans toward that of a cop-hater.
        Grow up!!!

        1. Dylan A-C Avatar
          Dylan A-C

          You’re missing the point. Yes, it’s worse, but not because a citizen’s life is any more valuable than an officer’s; it’s worse because it’s a betrayal. That gives it a weight that demands a different kind of response.

          In the absolute simplest terms: when somebody kills an officer, they should be punished; when an officer kills somebody, they should be punished AND it should raise the question of “who the fuck hired this guy?”

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    Black Lives Matter; Take Pride In Parenting; End Our National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect; End Community Violence & Police Fear

    Speaking At The Eulogy For The Honorable Reverend Clementa Pinckney, President Barack Obama said:

    “Perhaps it causes us to examine what we’re doing to cause some of our children to hate.” (Applause.)

    Video Excerpt from Obama Remarks Search YouTube: /watch?v=2T_GwYI7MnQ

    With all due respect to my American neighbors supporting the Black Lives Matter movement, I believe your cause would better serve all Americans if your organization were to honestly, openly and compassionately address the National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect that for decades has deprived untold numbers of depressed children from experiencing and enjoying a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    I strongly suggest members of the Black Lives Matter target communities that have embraced The Street Culture Baltimore Mom of The Year Toya Graham desperately struggles to keep her son from embracing.

    In his 2015 Grammy award winning Rap Performance titled “I”, Kendrick Lamar writes, “I’ve been dealing with depression ever since an adolescent.”

    During a January 20, 2011 LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick, born in 1987, the same year songwriter Suzanne Vega wrote a song about child abuse and *VICTIM DENIAL* that was nominated for a Grammy award, he told the interviewer:

    “Lamar’s parents moved from Chicago to Compton in 1984 with all of $500 in their pockets. “My mom’s one of 13 [THIRTEEN] siblings, and they all got SIX kids, and till I was 13 everybody was in Compton,” he says.”

    “I’m 6 years old, seein’ my uncles playing with shotguns, sellin’ dope in front of the apartment. My moms and pops never said nothing, ’cause they were young and living wild, too. I got about 15 stories like ‘Average Joe.’”

    It seems evident to me Kendrick identified the source of his depression, the roots of poverty, the child abuse/maltreatment that prevented him, his brothers, sisters, cousins, neighborhood friends, elementary and JHS classmates from enjoying a fairly happy, safe Average Joe and Josie American kid childhood.

    Seems the adults responsible for raising the children in Kendrick’s immediate and extended family placed obstacles in their children’s way, causing their kids to deal with challenges and stresses young minds are not prepared to deal with….nor should they or any other children be exposed to and have to deal with.

    It seems evident to me these PARENTAL INTRODUCED obstacles and challenges cause some developing children’s minds to become tormented and go haywire, not knowing OR NOT CARING ABOUT right from wrong…because as they mature, young victims of child abuse realize their parents introduced them to a life of pain and struggle, totally unlike the mostly safe, happy life the media showed them many American kids were enjoying. RESENTMENT

    I cannot speak for anyone else, but if I was raised in Kendrick’s family I would most likely be silently peeved at my parents for being immature irresponsible “living wild” adults who deprived me of a safe, happy childhood.

    Though like many victims of child abuse, most likely I would deny my parents harmed me, seeking to blame others for the pain my parents caused to me.

    I wonder how little Kendrick and his classmates reacted when their elementary school teacher introduced the DARE presenter and they learned about the real dangers of drugs and how they harm people, including their parents?

    In a Oct 25, 2012, LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick talks about being a SIX-YEAR-OLD child who was not able to trust and rely on his mom…essentially he speaks about being emotionally abandon by his own mom.

    Growing up during the 60-70s I listened to virtually ALL American music artists of African descent writing songs admiring, praising, respecting and loving the maternal half of our population.

    I am curious to know if members and supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement have wondered why for the past three decades, many popular American music performers of African descent have been characterizing the maternal half of our population as *itches and *hores…essentially less than human creatures or people not worthy of respect?

    Honestly, I have a feeling most BLM supporters don’t have the strength or will to face the truth about who is responsible for filling our prisons with depressed, angry, frustrated teens and young men who were victims of early childhood abuse and neglect at the hands of immature teen girls and women who irresponsibly begin building families before acquiring the skills, PATIENCE and means to properly raise a fairly happy American kid who enjoys a Safe Fun Street to play in.

    This video depicts horrific examples of men who were victims of childhood abuse and neglect, conditioning a young teen to embrace ‘The Street’ culture Baltimore Mom of The Year failed to protect her teen son from…not to mention representing the fear peaceful people living and WORKING in the community experience knowing depressed, angry, unpredictable teens and young adults need to vent their angers and frustrations for being introduced to a life of pain and struggle by irresponsible, “living wild” single moms and/or dads.

    Search youtube; /watch?v=C3ChOLiJa8k

    With all due respect to my American neighbors of African descent, the oppression of humans that led to racism and slavery has been replaced with a new form of human oppression that impedes and deprives many American children from experiencing a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    #RestorePrideInParenting
    #EndChildAbuseNeglect
    #ProtectKidsFromIrresponsibleCaregivers

  3. curiousgeorgie Avatar
    curiousgeorgie

    Excellent article Bryan.

    1. nononooooo Avatar
      nononooooo

      he wrote some words on a webpage bravo!! this is not journalism. expect more for yourself and others.

      1. curiousgeorgie Avatar
        curiousgeorgie

        I don’t understand all the animus that this post received. I’m not a journalist or a Wesleyan student. I simply voiced my opinion which is no more or no less valid than yours.

        It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?

        1. nononooooo Avatar
          nononooooo

          follow me here georgie…I was asking you to expect better journalism that is researched and well thought out. I never implied you were a journalist nor that your opinions were invalid. But I can see now, due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence, that this may indeed pass for good piece of journalism for you.

          1. curiousgeorgie Avatar
            curiousgeorgie

            Insults?? They’ve taught you well. I am not in need of your advice, insults or instruction for anything.

          2. curiousgeorgie Avatar
            curiousgeorgie

            A liberal for sure, nononooooo. Nasty, condescending, know it all. I do not know why you felt the need to tell me I should not comment positively on an article. I am not the author’s professor, I was not grading it. You seem to have a personal problem with the fact that this was published in the college paper. Grow up.

          3. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            Liberal or conservative doesnt matter. no matter what political affiliation you are you ought to expect that news, any form of it, is researched beyond your own scope. I didnt agree with your assessment of the article so I said so and gave my reason. I never wrote you had no right to express your opinion. You are not a professor, you are a reader, when you read you are supposed to gain knowledge. When the report lacks reasonable investigation you are belittled and misinformed. Im not liberal nor am I a conservative. I find that bipartisan grouping to be dangerous and leaves a lot of issues in gray. I hope this is a grown up enough response for you.

          4. mctommy Avatar
            mctommy

            Nononooooo, When you grow up, I hope you come to understand that smug, petulant sarcasm reflects well on neither you nor your points. Regardless of your reaction to Bryan’s opinion piece, there are ways to communicate that are effective, and those that are not.

          5. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            the truth is the truth. It doesnt matter whether a petulant person speaks it and a lie is a lie whether or not it is delivered politely. The problem with society these days is that things need to be lightly put to you so that you feel comfortable and sweet. I dont care about your feelings, I respond to truth and I respond to the perpetuation of lies that’s it. You can deliver it sarcastically, sardonically, on your head, from a plane, it doesnt matter to me because whatever you write I will try to see whether it’s true or not. Bryan seems to be apart of your school of thought where BLM is concerned. It doesnt make him comfortable and thus he has a hard time accepting it. The truth is the truth a movement like BLM is overdue and any movement that hails the rights of the oppressed will make insecure folks who are part of the majority worry that they are not at the center of the discussion. (The kinds of folks who, when people laugh, if they dont understand the language/joke assume everyone’s laughing at them) I dont blame all white people for social injustices, I dont blame all cops for police brutality so when you read articles you don’t have to worry “are they talking about me?!” all the time because the sun doesnt rise and set upon you alone. When dealing with a topic where that majority’s issues is not at the center a person of the majority might find that they actually have to do some real investigation into the issues and at any point they may be wrong in their assessment so it makes them feel uncomfortable. You want to be handled with child gloves and made to feel fuzzy inside, I dont know where to tell you to go bc I have never seen a place where people are polite and honest nor uabashedly truthful yet sweet. The fact still remains that Bryan has not investigated this piece. you can call me a child but guess what, children are most known to be honest, so I’ll happily stay childish.

          6. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            Yes, a movement like BLM is long overdue….now, quit blaming the problem entirely on the police and focus on the area mostly to blame…the black community. You want statistics and facts? Look up the black-on-black crime statistics in every major city in America with a sizeable black population and you will be slapped in the face with the enormity of it. Are there bad apples in the police? Absolutely…just like there are bad apples in any other major group/organization. BLM attacking the police reminds me of the following quote:

            “When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you.”

            BLM, and other organizations playing the blame game might want to pay heed…

          7. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            I agree with you. Everyone needs to do work. When black people commit crimes they go to prison and police officers by in large do not go to prison for their crimes. This year, which is not over, more people were killed due to police brutality than US armed forces in the Iraq War. We wouldn’t classify the police as a hate group though. BLM is vying for legal justice for those thousands dead. What is annoying to me is that this is an issue of justice and it has become a republican vs democrat/ black vs white issue. Black lives matter seems to annoy white people because they feel they are not included in the title so they prefer chanting All lives matter…then fine all lives matter, which means you’d be citing instances of police brutality against white people, brown, black, etc…but thats not what happens..they will say all lives matter now lets move on from this topic. BLM isnt saying ONLY black people matter, they are saying black people matter so stop violating our rights and if you do, you ought to serve the time just like us. I also remember a quote “one nation, under God, indivisible, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL” not some, “ALL.”

          8. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            Prosecute rogue police officers as needed, but for the love of God quit painting law enforcement as the big bad wolf, whose sole purpose in life is to stomp on the heads of the poor and downtrodden of our society…that is cheap, crass and utter garbage!!! I retired last year after 23 1/2 years in the United States Navy/Navy Reserves, and I count MANY law enforcement types as friends and fellow members of the military. They are honorable people doing a hard job and get crapped on constantly by a very unappreciative community.
            BLM needs to clean up their message and knock off the violent shenanigans…otherwise law-abiding citizens like myself are never going to agree or support their cause. There are ways to get your message across in a positive manner and I’m sorry, but screaming “fry ’em like bacon…” is NOT the way to do it.

          9.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Nathan: RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON! (A little “down for the shtruggle lingo”) Thanks for serving. Most of us couldn’t.

          10. Buck Avatar
            Buck

            “This year, …, more people were killed due to police brutality than US armed forces in the Iraq War.” How many people have been killed by police brutality this year? Do you mean US deaths throughout the Iraq War (4,425) or “this year” (0)?

          11. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            nononoooo, since Obama essentially abandoned Iraq to ISIS, it would seem logical that more Americans were killed by police than by service in Iraq this year. What the hell is your point?

          12. Hardfloor Avatar
            Hardfloor

            Not so much a child as an asshole.

          13. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            and im sure when/if you respond you will not be able to give any evidences supporting claims made by Bryan, if you do it will be from a site that is at a buzzfeed/wikipedia level of news, you will perhaps call me a liberal, and/or call me childish again. This exchange is so predictable.

          14. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            “It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?” I wonder if this is an insult…wait I do believe it is. I can’t stand people who throw a stone and hide their hand if you dont want to be insulted dont insult.

          15. DKE Bro Avatar
            DKE Bro

            Is it Roth Jong Un? My Korean is a little rusty

          16.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            It’s only $60,000 a year and you get large fries and a plastic toy with your diploma. Some administrators are talking about eliminating the plastic toy, but if you eat the fries you won’t have anything to show on your job interviews.

          17. KatelynsNana Avatar
            KatelynsNana

            Insults such as “due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence?” sheesh, sounds like pot and kettle.

          18. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            yes. an example of cause “It looks like Wesleyan is teaching liberal intolerance instead of educating students. How much do they charge you for this privilege?” and effect “due to your inability to read and understand a simple sentence?”

          19. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            If Wesleyan is stifling free speech when that speech is from a conservative aspect, then yes, they are in fact teaching liberal intolerance…this is a very black and white issue (no pun intended)… 😉

          20.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            NONONOOOOO: You sound like a little creep. A lot of us thought the guys Op Ed was reasonable and well written. He’s a 30 yr old man who’s been on a few tours of the mid-east Hell hole. My opinion of him is that he is a good guy that won’t be cowed by little Leftist Snowflakes. I’d bet you’d wet your pants if somebody looked at you the wrong way for BEING A LITTLE CREEP.

          21. Hardfloor Avatar
            Hardfloor

            You understand this is an opinion piece and not “journalism”, right? I mean he’s marshaling sentiment, argument and maybe a wee bit of evidence to try and make a point about political movements and the impact of fringe extremists in a polarizing time. It’s not a particularly great job – primarily because he takes the Virginia journalist murder as somehow related to BLM which is demonstrably incorrect. one could undoubtedly identify better examples to support the point, but it would still be a fairly innocuous right-leaning oped in a student newspaper. And he does raise at least one point very well: it’s hard for anyone to overcome the tendency to excuse ones own in-group while excoriating one’s out group.

      2. theturdz Avatar
        theturdz

        better writing than you see from most AA admits in my experience

        1. Trudy Avatar
          Trudy

          This Disqus user “theturdz” is a pathetic abusive loser, violating copyright laws by using my avatar that I photographed of myself (I am ‘thetrudz’ and ‘gradientlair’ on Twitter; this person misspells my handle and uses my images) and has been targeting me with harassment via “parody” accounts that White-owned social media companies Twitter and Disqus allow: twitter.com/theturdz and disqus.com/by/theturdz. These companies allow abuse of WoC.

      3. John George Avatar
        John George

        Good grief! Check your privilege at the door.

  4. OO Avatar
    OO

    this article is fucking trash

    1. curiousgeorgie Avatar
      curiousgeorgie

      And what do you call your comment?

    2. Tomas Jones Avatar
      Tomas Jones

      Eloquent. Really. Nicely done.

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Represent! Your parents would be proud. Thoughtful.

  5. OO Avatar
    OO

    zero understanding of institutional racism. “Is this all worth it” …. are you serious. You really hit the BLM movement with “I warned [you] in an article last semester…”

  6. Tamira Wright Avatar
    Tamira Wright

    To the author of this article, I encourage you to do more research to better understand the real purpose of the BLACK LIVES MATTER movement. Instead of giving you a long response about what the movement is REALLY about, you should invest your time in independently looking to further understand what the movement is truly trying to express. As a SOC, I am disappointed in the fact that you failed to educate yourself prior writing this article. LISTEN to the individuals on this campus who are active participants in this movement, and maybe you can avoid making problematic and privileged statements about what is happening in this country.

    1. Cliff's Tux-table Avatar
      Cliff’s Tux-table

      Wait, you’re a Soc? Are you still looking for Ponyboy and Johnny and the rest of those Greasers that stabbed your buddy?

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      What of this quote at the Minnesota state fair march : “Pigs in a Blanket, Fry Them Up!” The BLM were very prominent yelling that as they were escorted for their safety by…pigs.

      1. KatelynsNana Avatar
        KatelynsNana

        Or, “what do we want?” “dead cops” “when do we want them?” “now!” That was in New York, and what happened? Two patrolmen (persons if you insist:) murdered in their car by ambush, by a total coward.

        Guess they don’t remember “burn this b**ch” down,” either, do they?

        The current iteration of BLM has much for which to answer. cheers

    3. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      For those of us not on campus, and having all sorts of trouble understanding what the BLACK LIVES MATTER movement is all about, can you summarize 1) what you want 2) how you plan on getting it. You’ll be graded on realism and detail. Bonus points: Don’t use the term “whitey.”

  7. This article is horse shit Avatar
    This article is horse shit

    As a white person you must know a lot about how POC are targeted and dehumanized by police on a regular basis. So glad you had the courage to tell all POC that their feelings based off of their experiences with oppressive law enforcement are invalid.

    But seriously, the only time POC “guilt trip” white people about their very real privilege is when they pretend it doesn’t exist despite incarceration statistics (among others) that indicate otherwise. Even as a black dude, most of my friends are white, and they have enough intellectual integrity to acknowledge that there is a stark disparity in how people are treated under the law when it comes to ethnicity. Wake up.

    1. Bryan Stascavage Avatar
      Bryan Stascavage

      Hi,

      Thank you for your feedback.

      I’m treating BLM as a movement and developing intellectual argument like any other. And like any other, it should be open to criticism. That is equality.

      v/r – Bryan

  8. OO Avatar
    OO

    this is an onion article fr fr

  9. gsmoove94 Avatar
    gsmoove94

    lolwut?

  10. Yohance35 Avatar
    Yohance35

    Come for the statistic showing that, in fact, attacks and murders of police in the line of duty are at their lowest in 25 years, stay for the entertaining comedic take on news: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/d3hxfp/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-trickery-dickery-fox—phony-war-on-cops

    1. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      I don’t get my statistics from Comedy Central. Murders of policemen were lower in 2013 and rose in 2014, and quite likely to rise again this year.

      1. Yohance35 Avatar
        Yohance35

        The statistic mentioned in the Comedy Central bit was actually from a CNN news segment, but if you want a more, idk, academic reference see this NPR article, which has an analysis of FBI data done by a University of South Carolina law professor and former law enforcement officer showing that, while rates in 2013 were lower, that’s because 2013 was an anomaly and that the rates of police killings this year have been about average for years since 2000. http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          What about the statistic that I saw recently in a major American daily that 80% of people shot by police were carrying a weapon?

  11. You Suck Avatar
    You Suck

    Why did you even bother with the interview of the BLM supporter? You clearly are a racist piece of trash who would never change his/her mind anyway

  12. Another Alum Avatar
    Another Alum

    The Black Lives Matter movement arguably started in July 2013 after Zimmerman was acquitted.

    U.S. Officer deaths by year, followed by shooting-related deaths:

    2010: 161, 60
    2011: 171, 73
    2012: 126, 50
    2013: 107, 33
    2014: 117, 48
    2014 (January through September 16): 81, 36
    2015 (January through September 16): 88, 28

    How can you say that the Black Lives Matter movement has contributed to more officer shootings/targeting? Extremists exist independent of the movement.

    1. Bryan Stascavage Avatar
      Bryan Stascavage

      Hi,

      I did look at this data before writing the article and it is true that officer deaths in the past year are down about 8%.

      However, I cannot remember another time in recent history when we had seven killed in the same week, a few of those execution style. The drop in deaths could be due to police officers not patrolling areas, taking extra precautions for safety, etc because they know the target on their back is so big. The issue is a lot more complex then it first appears at the surface.

      Statistics can be twisted and presented to say whatever one wants. That is the power and beauty, but also can distract.

      v/r – Bryan

      1. Correlation vs causation Avatar
        Correlation vs causation

        your argument my friend is what we refer to as a very weak correlation. You can’t assume a causal relationship just because A happens to happen while B is happening. There are million of other reasons I could potentially attribute to the seven deaths of police officers other than the movement in question. If you have an issue with the movement, I don’t think is a very logical way of questioning it.

      2. nononooooo Avatar
        nononooooo

        Couple questions:
        7 deaths in a week in a year that saw 8% drop should have BLM classified as a hate group?
        Do you reread what you write after you write it?
        Did you ask the police officer what they do in their departments to weed out the bad eggs?
        (Many of these officers involved in shooting have had offenses in the past.)
        Did you ask the officer If he is going back to the drawing board to correct any of the issues BLM raises?
        If BLM is asking for police to be held accountable for their criminal activity where is the hate in that?
        Why don’t we see more cops like Dustin Alex Stone coming forward?

        If I am to ever trust in blue, Im going to have to see at least see some effort on their part to at least acknowledge that there is a problem in the force and they are trying to rectify it. Every time I hear an officer speak out about BLM it is with disdain. It is not, “well I dont agree with their tactics BUT there is a problem.”

        1. Bryan Stascavage Avatar
          Bryan Stascavage

          Hi,

          I appreciate you trying to engage on this, it is a difficult subject and I would like to clear one thing up. I understand you are angry and I’m not taking your personal attacks against me personally.

          I think you need to go back and re-read the article. At no point was I saying that I believe BLM should be classified as a hate group, and I don’t think it is a hate group. I was simply showing that a backlash against BLM is growing, and some people think it is a hate group.

          My big takeaway that I was going for was that BLM should reanalyze their tactics and incorporate a much stronger message of peace. How is that controversial?

          I attempted to show both sides of the argument as well, but unfortunately, many of those outraged have blinders on that only allow them to see the parts of the article that they deem offensive without any context of what I was truly trying to say.

          To address a comment you made below, I did acknowledge several times I do agree and support the more moderate goals and messages of the movement, and did say that they have achieved some successes. I do know of the times the police has resulted in innocent deaths, and I do think they should be held more accountable. I’m not defending the actions of the bad officers nor their leaders who allow them to continue operating. I’m defending the 99.9% of officers who sincerely want to make our cities a better and safer place for all, regardless of race, status, or influence.

          My question to you is why do you think BLM is above being analyzed and criticized? If you think BLM is a perfect movement with no flaws, then I can understand your anger. But if we are to realize that the movement has the potential for a lot of positive change, why would we not want to correct the areas that BLM is lacking to ensure that potential is realized?

          v/r – Bryan

          1. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            You really never answered any of the questions posed to you. “However, I cannot remember another time in recent history when we had seven killed in the same week, a few of those execution style.” So based on that answer I wanted to know if you believe that 7 deaths in a week in a year that saw 8% drop should have BLM classified as a hate group? (seeing as you avoided the question I’ll ask again) “My big takeaway that I was going for was that BLM should reanalyze their tactics and incorporate a much stronger message of peace. ” What is controversial is you speak on BLM as if they have perpetuated messages of war by giving examples of extremist who chant about frying bacon. ” I’m defending the 99.9% of officers who sincerely want to make our cities a better and safer place for all, regardless of race, status, or influence.” How can they defend these cities by not addressing any of the issues BLM has raised? I do not think BLM is above being analyzed, I do below you are below meeting the call to do that analysis due to your lack of research AND if you could please answer at least 2 of the questions I originally posed if you are going to take the time to respond to comments regarding your article.

          2. nononooooo Avatar
            nononooooo

            It really isn’t a difficult subject for me and it isn’t a difficult subject for most people who have been violated or have witnessed the constant brutality first hand. It is wrong. full stop.

          3. Buck Avatar
            Buck

            There are lots of wrongs in this world. Why you think that Bryan Stascavage can solve them in a forum is as absurd as the BLM movement. Burning down Baltimore and Ferguson is not a great thing. Building something that lasts is. You hold this author to such a high standard, and then fill your attacks with anecdotes and provably wrong statistics. You want to save black lives? You think they matter? Then prove it. Do something positive. Write an action plan. Find a way to execute that plan. Just don’t let “steal all the prescriptions from my neighborhood CVS and sell them on the streets” be your answer for funding.

          4. Disappointed Avatar
            Disappointed

            Not sure why the first post was referred to as angry. I don’t see anger at all. And it’s unfortunate that when we react, albeit calm and calculated, we are labeled as “angry.”

      3. wesgrad Avatar
        wesgrad

        Bryan –

        “I did look at this data before writing the article and it is true that officer deaths in the past year are down about 8%.”

        I didn’t realize this. So you’re saying the BLM movement may be having positive results? Saving police officers’ lives?

        That’s awesome!

        Thanks Bryan 🙂

    2. Jim Scotts Avatar
      Jim Scotts

      Seriously? Police officers continue to be saved by the bullet resistant vests that they wear on a daily basis. To think that while you get to wear your cargo shorts and tee shirt, cops out there have to put on 40 pounds of equipment to ensure your safety and freedom all the while you despise their existence. You are a Grade A moron!

  13. disgusted '13 Avatar
    disgusted ’13

    wow how did this piece of trash get published in the argus? wtf. argus editors, please… edit? review? read?! articles that are racist, ignorant, and poorly thought out before putting them up here. just wtf.

    1. renouncing the argus '13 Avatar
      renouncing the argus ’13

      not even journalism.

    2. opinion piece Avatar
      opinion piece

      It’s an opinion piece, and all opinion pieces are published without editing similar to wespeaks.

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Yeah, no disagreeable ~feelings~ should be written. Monolithic thoughts rule, as students can’t debate intellectually? It’s too scary? Wow. Your parents should demand a refund.

  14. uyy vey Avatar
    uyy vey

    Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump for President. Black Lives Matter

  15. Washington Post Avatar
    Washington Post

    I know you claim to have researched the statistics before writing this article, but take a moment and read this:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/

  16. yikes Avatar
    yikes

    oh oops, you caught me, i absolutely don’t care about the police who operate under systematic racism. i don’t understand why you’re more worried about a policeman’s feelings than a black person’s life. they aren’t going to get hurt just because the BLM vilifies them. black people, though? we’ll continue to get shot until people understand that black lives do actually matter

    1. Spin Avatar
      Spin

      What? Are you being sarcastic? Cops definitely do get hurt and shot when they are vilified. You’re not helping your point by being ignorant and callous toward the other side.

  17. a hate group lol Avatar
    a hate group lol

    lol @ this whole mess of an article

  18. Kieran Coyne Avatar
    Kieran Coyne

    There is some very fundamental misunderstanding going on here. I urge you to stop writing about this kind of thing.

    1. Spin Avatar
      Spin

      What? Explain.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Yes, the author should ignore any meaningful dialogue, right? Life is all unicorns and happy faces. Lower your eyes, make no eye contact and by all means as University students let’s head for our “trigger rooms” and pretend everything is happy!

      Disgusting. I give him credit for bravery rather than cowardice. Until the happy pony folks grow a pair Wesleyan students are sheep, sadly.

      1. Kieran Coyne Avatar
        Kieran Coyne

        Kathy, what are you talking about? I come from a long line of conservative Irish Americans. There have always been, and still are, many cops in my family. So, I am not approaching this conversation with the kind of kushy academic or elitist or intellectual or sophisticated or have-time-to-sit-around-and-contemplate-life-all-day-because-my-parents-have-money background that you seem to be pinning on me. Luckily, my mother and father realized that much of their (hard working and loving, yes) conservative family was living in the past, at least in terms of their approach to social issues. They noticed patterns in the way that the conservative thought process seems to leave out any consideration for the people who are actually victims of racism (and homophobia, and sexism, etc. – the list goes on), in this country. This author should, instead of talking about how racist police officers are just a few bad apples (which is just not true), and instead of talking about how members of the Black Lives Matter movement “need” to decry the death of a police officer “with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian,” ACTUALLY LISTEN. No, Black Lives Matter doesn’t NEED to do anything (btw, you clearly do not understand how fucked up it is of the author to accuse the members of this movement of being hypocritical, and to even bring that up when there’s wildly more important stuff at stake here). Instead, people like this author NEED to stop looking for holes, and for points of attack, in this and other movements that they don’t like because of how they destabilize the fucked up system (and I get that this is difficult to grasp when people don’t realize how fucked up and racist the system is, so it feels as though this kind of ‘good-natured’ criticism makes sense). Murders committed against cops are obviously not somehow equal to murders BY cops that are disproportionately aimed at people of color (hint: the former is obviously tied to a long American history of dehumanization of black people by people in power, a dehumanization that obviously continues today). The author should not “ignore any kind of meaningful dialogue” – he should just listen to it with a little more effort and a little more openness.
        Also, you need to fall back, Kathy.

        1. Kieran Coyne Avatar
          Kieran Coyne

          To my Wesleyan friends: my sloppy writing in the first couple sentences might kind of makes it sound like I am a conservative, or at least a fiscal one. I am most definitely a full blown liberal. Just wanted to clear that up.

          1.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Nah, you’re crystal clear. All good.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Just so I understand:
          1. The author should be talking about “how racist police officers are just a few bad apples (which is just not true). Ipso facto, it is the rule that by and large LEO are racist, homophobic, sexist. It is not the exception.
          Not true. LEO protects all citizens, including whites, blacks, purple dinosaurs, etc. and usually they run TOWARD danger. Do you really think they stop to ponder whether a person in need is gay or straight?
          2. It is unacceptable to you that the author should “bring this stuff up” since the world is so “fucked up” and there is “wildly” more important “stuff” to discuss.
          Such as? This was his topic. What should the approved topics be?
          3. NEED is an important word for you, Kieren. “Need” in your context is all about telling others what they “Need” to discuss or “Need” to believe or “Need” to ~feel.~
          Grow up. We live in a country where there is freedom to debate and discuss. Perhaps the DPKR is more suited to you. There the “Need” to discuss a particular topic is moot. Cool, huh?
          4. The author should “listen” to his intellectual betters, yes? In other words, sit down and shut the hell up.

          I understand you, KIERAN. As an American (?) you disappoint.

          1. Kieran Coyne Avatar
            Kieran Coyne

            1. I never said that “by and large LEO are racist, homophobic, and sexist,” although the kind of racism that exists in all groups and within all work environments certainly has a greater outlet for expression in the unique, often quite militaristic power dynamic that is police-civilian relations. Additionally, we can take the example of police departments up here in the Tri-State Area to raise another point about the cyclical nature of racism in certain institutions. These departments draw particularly strong representation from working-class Irish and Italian Americans whose fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. also served in the force and tend to pass down their predominately conservative outlook on race (outlooks which date back to a time when these ethnic groups were also marginalized in society and, therefore, rivaled blacks in the struggle for jobs and ultimately respect in what I think we can agree was a tightly structured and racist hierarchy) to their sons, nephews, etc. who, of course, affirm their inherited suspicions toward black people through their repeated negative interactions with black civilians in the low-income areas in which they serve.

            2. I think you are mocking the language I used? I don’t claim to be incredibly articulate. I admit that I am still gradually learning how to write and trying to develop a voice. But, in this case especially, I was more concerned with getting my ideas across to you.

            3. I think you missed the point. When the author says, “they need to stand with police units that lose a member, decrying it with as much passion as they do when a police officer kills an unarmed civilian,” he is not only speaking completely out of his place as a white man, but he is also completely wrong! Please try to imagine what the concept of the police might mean for black people in America. Why should members of #BlackLivesMatter have any respect or an institution that oppresses them to a disproportionate extent (that is a fact) and, for the most part, gets away with it. Here we not only have a police institution that dehumanizes people of color, but also a country and lawmakers and governors that allow that to happen.

            4. I think the author should just read a little bit more of the literature that comes from the left and that is written by people of color. The key thing here is not to read this stuff and try to find the holes in it as a conservative reader, but to try to read it with an open mind and with a consideration of how a person of color might feel differently from you (you as in Kathy, the author, or anybody) in a world that has repeatedly viewed her as the other and placed her on the margins.

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            One last question, KIEREN and I’ll leave you to your conscience. Because clearly our dialogue is not about Black Lives Matter. It’s about the freedom of expression.

            Above you say “You need to fall back, Kathy.” Please tell me what that means.

            Thank you.

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Ken Haim agrees with me, BTW.

  19. Matt Avatar
    Matt

    Absurd argument, summarized by the writer’s belief that he “support[s]… the efforts by [sic] the more moderate activists.” He doesn’t even realize that his invented term “moderate activist” is an oxymoron.

    1. Jane Fonda's Spandex Avatar
      Jane Fonda’s Spandex

      Pray tell, how is “moderate activist” oxymoronic? As far as I know, being an activist doesn’t automatically disqualify one from being moderate–in either opinion or action.

      1. Buck Avatar
        Buck

        (forgive him, he had to write a forum entry as an assignment for a grade. using [sic] gave him bonus points.)

  20. Alum Avatar
    Alum

    Why even bother expressing your opinion in the Argus? You will influence no one, aggravate everyone, and pretty much set yourself up for social ostracization. Liberals are only effective because they yell the loudest. But the BLM movement will accomplish nothing.

    1. Spin Avatar
      Spin

      Because some of the lessons is learning how to express yourself, even more important in a hostile atmosphere. And learning how groupthink works. And teaching the entire community how to deal with people of different backgrounds. Wesleyan is tasked with not ostracizing someone who thinks a bit differently, but is obviously trying in good-faith to make a positive contribution. I hope the community rises to the occasion, and doesn’t bully him. (The Argus staff editorial seems like bullying to me, Bryan did exactly what he is supposed to be doing.) Bryan seems to have a strong backbone, and I wish him well.

      1. Jim Scotts Avatar
        Jim Scotts

        BLM has accomplished a lot! They have allowed crime to increase in almost all major cities where black lives live thus affecting all black lives by subjecting them to more criminal behavior. Good job!

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Jim Scotts….Isn’t that the truth. The cops in Baltimore (black/white/Hispanic/Asian, etc.) just won’t go into those scumbag areas anymore. They now beef up the perimeter so the scum are not able to victimize the people that live in law abiding areas. OH, THAT’S RACISSS!

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        The origin of BLM is based on the lie that The Gentle Giant, he was such a nice boy, just walking down the street, dreaming of collitch, was a victim not a perp. I was in Philly when a group of these idiots blocked off a street, lay down, and wrecked EVERYBODY OF EVERY RACE’S DAY JUST TRYING TO GET TO WORK. Yeah, and writing on your face is really special. For a 4 year old.

    2. aklsjdf Avatar
      aklsjdf

      I have no fucking clue where Wesleyan University is, and I read it, here, in New York. Oh look, it’s in Connecticut, near CCSU, where I took a summer class once – cool.

      I think it is a great opinion piece, and the author should be proud of his work. I am especially impressed with the level of critical thinking, given the state of university education. Any censorship of any kind is a big no-no in my book. College campuses and student populations are becoming the most uninteresting groups to be around. There is no such thing as a right to NOT be offended.

      BLM can be a tremendous movement, but it could also implode itself. They control their destiny.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Perhaps free speech is a trigger that requires a safe room?

        1. Nathan Avatar
          Nathan

          My safe room is my house…step inside unannounced or uninvited and you’ll find out why… 😉

      2. NavymanBill Avatar
        NavymanBill

        I find the intolerance of college campuses these days very disturbing. the profs have become the “thought police”. This one-sided “open mindedness” is disgusting. Pretty soon there will be book-burnings!! Who does THAT remind you of??!

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Book burning is alive and well. In Europe…say France for a fine example! The poor/elderly can’t afford energy as the Left has priced it out of their reach (hmmmmm…Didn’t Barry O say that was his plan a few years back in an interview he thought would not come back to haunt him?)…..They die of hypothermia in the winter and heat stroke in the summer. But those old books sold at the discount bins, the real thick ones burn slower than wood, so that is what they do for a treat. Burn a book and hold their hands up to the warmth. THE LEFT, SO CARING AND EVOLVED.

  21. Supermartinguy Avatar
    Supermartinguy

    Look, while the argument of Cops feeling like they’re in a warzone is valid, can we stop using the reporter as some kind of smoking gun (no pun intended). He was crazy. He had as much to do with BLM as the Columbine Kids had to do with DOOM. It’s a moot point.

  22. ... Avatar

    I can’t believe what some of these comments are saying. I’m really disappointed, Wesleyan.

  23. Billy the Kid Avatar
    Billy the Kid

    So what you are trying to say is that positive and meaningful change happens by doing nothing? Why not provide some solutions to the problems we face instead of promoting a nation of over lookers. Bryan, you seem like the type of person to sit back and watch their best friend get jumped and dignify your decision not to act with “Well, I’m trying to get into a good college.” Never have I ever read an article that needed a WTF meme more. I feel bad for the people that had to lie to you when you asked them if this was a good article.

    1. Negative vibes Avatar
      Negative vibes

      I somehow doubt you would be happy with Bryan’s suggestions were he to give them to you. In any case, that’s not the point of what he did here.

  24. disappointed white student Avatar
    disappointed white student

    Bryan my dude, you demonstrate zero understanding of social movement theory or of the history and realities of systemic racism and white supremacy in our society’s government, economy, and culture. This is poorly written and badly researched bro. Why did you publish this? Please respond to this comment, I’m genuinely curious as to what you thought this article would accomplish/what contribution you intended to make to the discourse.

    1. MATT DAMON Avatar
      MATT DAMON

      MATT DAMON

  25. DEARWHITEPEOPLE Avatar
    DEARWHITEPEOPLE

    Obviously, go ahead and disagree with this article. On a campus such as ours that is bound to be the general sentiment. But everyone who I have seen/heard say that this shouldn’t be published has not been black. So while you white people continue to accuse this man of whitesplaining and calling this hate-speech, black people continue to be articulate and actually state their disagreements with this article and why they think it is wrong, rather than saying he shouldn’t have shared this. If people don’t share what they think, no one can explain to them why they think should change their avenue of thought or let them know what parts of the situation they haven’t considered. Additionally, as a veteran, the author of this article also has a particular sensitivity to gun violence, which most of you white people on campus ( sorry to generalize) do not have. Unlike most of you, I’m sure he knows what it means to lose someone to gun violence. Also I feel like a lot of the hatred toward has been because of the title, which normally the writers of pieces do not get to choose, little has been directed at the contents of the article itseld. If hatred had simply been directed to the article, go ahead! But that people have said boycott the argus, and have directed hatred toward the author himself, including posting pictures of “this horrible man”, seems to be the opposite extreme of what many have been fighting for for a very long time. These pictures posted of him seem to be calling for violence to be directed at him. Yeah, he’s white, but so are all of you with the most hatred toward this man!!! Dear White People, stop hating on everything. Our movement, as some have so eloquently explained (not myself clearly), is about trying to stop the violence done to black people on a daily basis. On our liberal campus, most people agree with this movement. But newsflash, in the larger world, a lot of people don’t. If everyone thought like Wesleyan students did, BLM would have a much easier time trying to get real change to happen. But alas, BLM wasn’t started because it’s an easy issue, it started because not only systemic racism at places like Wesleyan exist, but because in most of America there is a racism that goes far beyond the system. So while Stascavage may have had an opinion piece that is problematic, remember that this is a student newspaper. People go to college to learn, and if his fellow peers can’t even help or try to understand a guy like him, than what hope do we have for the rest of hateful racist America.

    1. Vassar support Avatar
      Vassar support

      Yay for liberal groupthink. You’ve poked a hornets’ nest of people who are often the first to point out how tolerant they are of diverse opinions and lifestyles-unless of course it contradicts their interpretations. Things here at Vassar are no better.

    2. Steersman Avatar
      Steersman

      Good point about going to college to learn; pretty sad state of affairs if some (few) students get their knickers in a twist and try to impose egregious censorship in the pursuit of rather ridiculous “safe spaces”. And it seems even Obama is coming around to that point of view as well, if somewhat belatedly, as indicated in this YouTube video:

      A partial transcript from Jerry Coyne’s website [Why Evolution Is True]:

      “The purpose of college is not just … to transmit skills,” he said. “It’s also to widen your horizons, to make you a better citizen, to help you to evaluate information, to help you make your way through the world, to help you be more creative.” . . .

      “It’s not just sometimes folks who are mad that colleges are too liberal that have a problem. Sometimes there are folks on college campuses who are liberal, and maybe even agree with me on a bunch of issues, who sometimes aren’t listening to the other side, and that’s a problem too. I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want
      to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. I gotta tell you, I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. I think you should be able to — anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em. But you shouldn’t silence them by saying, ‘You can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say.’ That’s not the way we learn either.”

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      You’re 100% wrong. Black lives matter did not start because of ‘systemic racism’ – that does not exist in the United States in any way, shape or form. Black lives matter is just another excuse, based on a lie.

      The only organized racism in America comes from black people and their leaders. Left on their own, the best that black people have been able to produce in the last 5000 years can be seen in Lagos, Nigeria, Monrovia, Liberia, Mogadishu, Somalia, and domestically, Detroit, Baltimore, East Saint Louis and Oakland.

      Face facts, this will never improve. Trying to explain it away is just another excuse.

      “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” – Booker T. Washingon

      1. SocialJusticeScientist Avatar
        SocialJusticeScientist

        Your entire argument was invalidated by saying systemic racism does not exist. Like, what? You need books in your life. Segregation still exists in education and housing. Mass incarceration of black men? Ever heard of it? What about the systematic attrition of marginalized communities from STEM fields? Yeah, we live in a racist society, dude. Face facts.

        Your Booker T. Washington quote is dandy and all, but speaks to a class of people who are married to the idea of ‘tap dancing’ for white folks. BLM is not ‘making a business of keeping the troubles’ but asking to me KEPT ALIVE. So many people confuse asking for life and liberty with asking for a handout. I don’t need anything from white folks except RESPECT.

        1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
          Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

          So if a criminal is black, and he goes to jail, it’s the white man’s fault? Lots of black men commit crimes, and it’s whitey’s fault?

          BLM doesn’t seem to be stopping the black-on-black killings and violence in Baltimore that are happening after dark between the hours of 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. Why are they not focusing their attention on those murders and assaults, which are happening 10x more than white cop vs black citizen?

          1. SocialJusticeScientist Avatar
            SocialJusticeScientist

            This is a great place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

          2. CissyScum Avatar
            CissyScum

            “Jim Crow”, lmao

            The original Jim Crow laws had nothing to with hating people with dark skin tone and kinky hair, it was about protecting white people from black crime and violence.

            I wouldn’t mind reinstating these laws.

          3.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Your 100% right about that. The purpose of segregation was to keep crime and immoral behavior out of the communities they worked so hard to build.

            Then came the civil rights march, and the plagiarist Martin Luther King (he didn’t write his famous speech, he stole it). They whined and complained that the stereotypes weren’t true, and demanded to enjoy the societal benefits that white people built. The only problem was they were lying the whole time.

            Every community dominated by blacks is a sewer, plagued by violence, drugs and self inflicted poverty. Exactly the things the segregationists didn’t want.

            When one race pits itself against another history proves the result is always the same – GENOCIDE. It can happen again, and it won’t be pretty for black people.

          4. CissyScum Avatar
            CissyScum

            What minorities ultimately want is to live in a white country without white people.

          5.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Kind of like Detroit, before 770,000 white people left.

          6. CissyScum Avatar
            CissyScum

            Or Rhodesia and South Africa, when those hyper-bigoted oppressive imperialists left the beautiful #BlackBodies to their own devices.

          7.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Oh yes – we can’t forget Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). It was the breadbasket of the Netherlands, exporting millions of tons of wheat, corn and rice, until President Robert Mugabe threw all the white farmers out.

            Now the only thing they export is starving Zimbabweans!

          8. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            That and this…

            “Zimbabwe has one of the largest HIV epidemics in the world, with an estimated adult HIV prevalence of 15% and 1.4 million people living with HIV.”

            BTW…here is the source for those automatic doubters…
            http://www.unaids.or/en/regionscountries/countries/zimbabwe

          9. NavymanBill Avatar
            NavymanBill

            Funny. I read a very good article written by a middle school teacher in the south, and the difficulties he was facing trying to teach African American students above a certain age level. He asked them a number of questions-very revealing-about how they felt about white Americans. He reported that while most felt that “whites should have a smaller part of the pie”, when he asked them what would happen if all of the whites left, the average response was “We screwed.”.

          10. CissyScum Avatar
            CissyScum

            Here are the experiences of another middle school teacher: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8047-public-school-and-diversity/

            And just for kicks, here’s another piece that may interest you: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924795/posts

          11. The Mule Avatar
            The Mule

            Ehhhh…. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/

            Black people are more likely to be arrested, charged, and jailed for a crime. As far as breaking the law goes, however, you’ll find in almost every category whites and blacks are equal on a per-capita basis when analyzed on the basis of economic station. The poverty in black communities is a direct result of the very recent inequities supported by law. Decades of second-class citizenship has a long term effect, go figure! Regardless of race, the vast majority of people do not rise above the economic class of their birth. Poor people beget poor people. It has less to do with race and more to do with the potential for advancement. Simply, poor people have fewer avenues to self-improvement. It is possible, for an exceptional person, but most people are not exceptional. Most people are born into a lot and stay there.

          12.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Sorry, you’re really far off on this one. You point out an article that talks only about one crime, and the statistics are not credible.

            The National Survey on Drug Use is known to be wildly inaccurate, because its based on answers given by drug users and dealers themselves. You’ll find dozens of articles proving this inaccuracy, but no matter anyway, even if it were accurate, you’re talking about 1 crime.

            For the crimes of Aggravated Assault, Armed Robbery, Home Invasion, Carjacking and Murder, blacks commit a wildly disproportionate amount of these crimes. You are 16 times more likely to be injured by a black criminal than a white one.

            The argument of economic class doesn’t hold water either. After the civil war. as the railroads expanded, the laborers were Chinese, Irish and Black. All of them were treated badly, but somehow the Irish and Chinese managed to pull themselves out and be become productive contributors to our society, but blacks never did.

            No one is afraid to walk through a Chinese or Irish neighborhood, but in virtually every city in the US, the black section of town is a high crime area, as well as a run down dilapidated sewer.

            Appalachia is one of the poorest areas in our country, is predominantly white, and has a crime rate similar to most white suburbs.

            Care to explain that?

          13. HiFi Avatar
            HiFi

            I’d recommend reading the DOJ report on Ferguson:

            http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

            And you’ll figure out why the riots happened. Policing for profit, in this case, done by a virtually all-white government in a overwhelmingly black city.

          14.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            I don’t need to read the report. Your statement says it all. The black people of Ferguson, just like blacks everywhere, blame their bad acts on everything and everyone but themselves.

            Please explain to me how a town with no taxpayers that has to raise revenue by issuing fines is the ‘white governments’ fault.

            How does that justify looting liquor stores, rim shops, and convenience stores?

            How does it justify Mike Brown’s mom committing a strong arm robbery over t-shirt sales? (just like her son did right before he was killed)

            Your statement proves everything. Blacks cannot take care of themselves and cannot take responsibility for themselves.

            Perhaps they can do without the white mans help. What do you think would happen if food stamps, medicaid, welfare and subsidized housing were taken away?

          15. HiFi Avatar
            HiFi

            Please, what is shows is the lengths to which entrenched city officials will go to maintain their salaries and perks, even though they are serving a population that is now poorer than it once was. Why did the citizens of Ferguson need all those cops with salaries twice or three times what the typical resident makes? Oh and don’t forget the pensions…now who’s the one who’s saying blacks need to be babysat? I’d riot if I were in that situation, and if you had any guts you’d do so too.

          16.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            It doesn’t matter what the citizens of Ferguson get paid.

            Do you think if you offered a minimum wage salary for police you would find a single taker?

            The same goes for city officials. I don’t know what they get paid, but I’m sure it’s in line with the rest of the country of we definitely would have heard about it.

            I guess a person like yourself, who has never had a job, and has always been supported by someone else (most likely the government) would have a hard time understanding these concepts.

            Someday, when you get your first McDonalds or Walmart job I’m sure you’ll understand better.

          17. HiFi Avatar
            HiFi

            They’re all overpaid, and more importantly, there are too many of them. Crappy little city, run by and for the municipal employees. And yes, that’s exhibit A for structural racism in action. The city needs to be abolished and merged into a larger administrative district. And then they need to do that again for about a zillion other towns across this country.

          18.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            The citizens and property owners in Ferguson are certainly entitled to vote to do that, but what ‘larger administrative district’ wants a burnt out city full of criminals to suck their treasury dry?

            If you don’t like the town of Ferguson, don’t live there. It’s a free country after all. The people living there are doing so exclusively by choice. If they don’t like it, they can move a few miles to Saint Louis.

          19. HiFi Avatar
            HiFi

            You see, when you say things like that, you just sound like you were born yesterday. I suppose you just “chose” not to live in Greenwich, or the Hamptons, and instead to live wherever you live. Just like you choose not to jump to the moon and back.

          20. chris Avatar
            chris

            Amen to everything. Blacks playing victims? Creating tremendous amounts of crime while contributing virtually nothing?? I don’t believe it!

          21. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            Yes, more bureaucratic administrative overhead…that is SURELY going to fix things. Why don’t we implement a better strategy that has worked for thousands of years…”handle things at the LOWEST LEVEL POSSIBLE.” Fix it where the rubber meets the road…not in the office where the paychecks are handed out…
            This entire thread is inundated with comments distract from the ACTUAL problem…people have to start addressing their OWN problems before anyone else is EVER going to be able to join in and help…if somebody refuses to change their behavior, no amount of money thrown at the problem is going to fix it…

          22. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            Why is it that people down on their luck so often point the accusatory finger at those that are not…as the FIRST reaction??? Suck it up, work HARDER and make your situation better. This is America!!! The opportunity is there, sometimes it requires VERY HARD WORK….and that is where the problem lies…it’s easier to be lazy…

          23. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            You mean the same DOJ that has pretty much quit doing it’s job? That DOJ??? Sorry, but the credibility in THAT law enforcement organization is GONE!!!

          24.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            So why did the riots happen in Baltimore?

          25. HiFi Avatar
            HiFi

            I don’t know. But riots don’t just come out of nowhere….

          26. Junior Brisenio Avatar
            Junior Brisenio

            Yes, I care to explain.
            Why is the crime in poor Appalachia at such low rates vs comparative Black areas? Simple, White people will tell on you if you commit a crime, unfortunately “snitching” is considered a “bad thing” in the Black community even when it’s the right thing to do. Compound this with the person telling may get hurt for telling and then the justice system may not even do anything about it? A poor Black community is a criminals paradise!

            The heart of the problem is the justice system. Minorities are not punished as severely when they commit crimes against other minorities. This is ferociously tilted more with Black on Black crime. Couple that with the snitches get stitches culture that runs in the Hispanic, Black, Vietnamese, and Pacific Islander cultures and it creates a huge problem.

            I have yet to read of any significant charges higher than murder in the 2nd degree when it comes to Black on Black. Way too many are considered lower degrees of manslaughter (usually 6 – 10 years time served). I believe this is done so the criminal can get back on the streets as quickly as possible to hopefully lower the Black population even more?
            At the same time a first offense crack possession charge for an 18 year old Black male will land him 10 years maximum sentencing!

            The justice system cannot dare make its current system fair because that means White people will truly become victims of crimes committed by minorities as they would become fair game. Perish the thought!

            The propensity of committing crimes simply boils down to risk vs reward for minority criminals, especially the Black criminals in Black communities.

          27. Doug Chance Avatar
            Doug Chance

            Funny how that lack of opportunity for poor people failed to stop my orphan father from transcending a poor rural background to become a middle class Electrical Engineer. I’m glad that you judge him to be exceptional for that achievement, but that sounds to me like an excuse for the people who are too lazy or compromised by a culture that devalues intellectual achievement to follow in his footsteps.

            We have a very strange definition of poverty in this country. Who owns those cars jamming every street in Kensington? The DirectTV antennae sprouting from all the row houses? The smart phones that seemingly every teenager packs?

          28.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            “you’ll find in almost every category whites and blacks are equal on a
            per-capita basis when analyzed on the basis of economic station.”
            Not at all true. West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the union. Look at its demographics (94% white). Its violent crime rate in 2013 was 290 per 100,000 population. Compare that with the national violent crime rate of 381 per 100,000.
            Suggested reading: The Color of Crime by the New Century Foundation.

          29. KatelynsNana Avatar
            KatelynsNana

            “Most people are born into a lot and stay there.” That says a lot about the inner character of the parents, grandparents of current “poor people” who cannot find an “avenue of self-improvement,” despite the trillions of dollars spent on that very thing for the last 50+ years?

          30. NavymanBill Avatar
            NavymanBill

            A good comment. However, just looking at it from an economic aspect is incomplete. The social factors must be addressed. A friend recently sagely observed that much of the explanation for the Black/African American crime wave(for lack of a better term) can be traced to LBJ’s “Great Society) program, which in effect, by expanding welfare programs, relieved poor men (of all colors) of their responsibilities to their family ( a form of emasculation?) and made them irrelevant, except as “breeders”. When you see young black men who are 28-29 y/o that have 13-14 children by six or seven different mothers (like that guy that got killed when he joined ISIS), you have to admit that it isn’t just economic.

          31. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Why are they not focusing their attention on those murders and assaults, which are happening 10x more than white cop vs black citizen?”

            Why do you speak as if BLM is the only group that exists?

          32. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            Because the #ICantBreathe movement seems to have suffocated.

          33. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            That doesn’t really answer my question. I’ll ask it again: Why do you speak as if BLM is the only group that exists?

          34. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            Because everyone knows #BlackLivesMatter. No other organizations or races matter.

          35. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “No other organizations or races matter.”

            That’s a failure on ppl like you not BLM. How hard is it to find other groups or organizations?

          36. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            So PETA should walk around screaming “Black Lives Matter”? I think they have their hands full with abandoned pit bulls.

          37. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “So PETA should walk around screaming “Black Lives Matter”?

            Is this a diversion tactic. I’ll ask the question again: How hard is it to find other groups or organizations that fight against b on b crime?

          38. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            Apparently pretty hard. The organization known as the Baltimore Police Department isn’t allowed to fight b on b anymore in Baltimore, and it’s their job.

            How about the BLACKS start taking responsibility?

          39. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “The organization known as the Baltimore Police Department isn’t allowed to fight b on b anymore in Baltimore, and it’s their job.”

            BPD can fight crime but by reports they have taken a hands of approach when it comes to policing. They didn’t like the being held accountable for the Reddie Gray situation so like many departments they have pulled back. Can you imagine a surgeon getting reprimanded for malpractice and their response is hands off instead of improve.

            “How about the BLACKS start taking responsibility?”

            They have but like most things the work is an endless one. Why do ppl assume black people aren’t taking responsibility?

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          The only segregation in housing is self imposed. Black people are incarcerated in larger numbers than other because they commit more crimes.

          Black people don’t excel in STEM fields because they generally don’t pay attention in school.

          You want respect? Then stop participating in a movement that is 100% based on a LIE.

          1. SocialJusticeScientist Avatar
            SocialJusticeScientist

            Everything you just said is just not true. Like literally false. But it’s apparent I’m just feeding trolls. *Currently a phd student in geology. I will call myself a scientist, thank you very much.

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Wow. They have REALLY lowered the admission standards at Wesleyan. Are you saying the blacks don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime?

            Do you get fries with that PhD? I guess Wesleyan really needs the money. Another thing I’ll be sure to remember – never have respect for PhD’s from Wesleyan.

            I’m going to google all of the PhD candidates later today and find out who you are so I can make sure that a real company doesn’t mistakenly think you have a real degree.

          3. NavymanBill Avatar
            NavymanBill

            Brilliant.

          4. Guest Avatar
            Guest

            Do you ask yourself:
            1. Why do colored/black people commit crime at
            high rates? (Not blaming it on any other race) What conditions
            in their upbringing or community leads to that? Addressing the root of
            the problems is best for anyone who wishes to see change.

            2. It
            appears that you do not know what a “liberal arts” education/school means.
            During the era of ancient Greece and Rome and later medieval times, it
            included logic, rhetoric, arithmetic and some astronomy. But today,
            liberal arts includes: SOCIAL SCIENCES, NATURAL SCIENCES, HUMANITIES,… A quick google search could clear this up for you.

            NATURAL SCIENCE= includes astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, botany, archaeology, zoology, geology…

          5.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            How is a masters degree a PhD? There are no PhD programs for Geology at Wesleyan at all.

          6. AmericaFirst Avatar
            AmericaFirst

            Ahhh, so you know rocks, strikingly similar to the ones rattling around in the heads of those Student Government members. They claim to strive for ‘inclusion’ yet are completely unwilling to ‘include’ anyone whose opinion differs from theirs.

          7. NavymanBill Avatar
            NavymanBill

            Very good comment.

          8. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            nazi much ???

          9.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            As a jewish person whose grandparents survived Treblinka, I’m deeply offended by your statement.

          10. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            then you’re just another Donald Sterling (ne Tokowitz)
            “You go to Israel, the blacks are treated just like dogs. !!!”

          11. Nathan Avatar
            Nathan

            He probably doesn’t even know what Treblinka is…it’s amazing the number of idiots that throw out Nazi-related speak without a thought or care in the world. Your grandparents truly had an angel watching out for them…Treblinka was much worse than Auschwitz.

          12. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            There was a Harry Potter course at Frostburg State University. Maybe they should transfer.

        3. Doug Chance Avatar
          Doug Chance

          It’s notable that instead of actually rebutting the point made so succinctly by Mr. Washington, you choose only to make an ad-hominem attack against people who share his sentiment. And by doing so, you actually validate his point. It’s unfortunate that the people who need to hear it are too busy nursing their “injustices” to actually bother to listen.

          Respect: You have to give it to get it, SJS. But I suppose that that would just be something an Uncle Tom would do.

        4. flyr Avatar
          flyr

          SSS- You are confusing self segregation with enforced segregation.

          When you commit a lot of crime white folks move away as a measure of self preservation. The disparity in rates of violent crime is simply staggering. Blacks are 13% of the population but 50% of the murder victims and 50% of the violent felons.

          If yo look at Chicago for example, if blacks would behave as to whites, the city’smurder rate would drop by about 70%

      2. Solo Atkinson Avatar
        Solo Atkinson

        Wow, you are living proof that there’s no censorship at Wesleyan. Go march in Skokie.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Why do liberals like you only like the free speech that you manufacture? Are people only allowed an opinion if it meets with your approval.

          This is not ‘racist’ information. It’s simple fact.

          1.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Leftists routinely resort to ad hominem (and censorship when they can get away with it) because they are generally incapable to refuting well-documented facts and logically consistent arguments.

        2. Nathan Avatar
          Nathan

          FYI…free speech does not end when you disagree with what is being said…

          1. Solo Atkinson Avatar
            Solo Atkinson

            Exactly. And you’ll be protected by our Constitution when you march, in Skokie. As it should be. But you’ll never get cake in my shop.

    4. Doodoo Avatar
      Doodoo

      DEARWHITEPEOPLE, please learn to use the return/Enter key to create some paragraphs, sheesh!

    5.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Fascist Democrats like you are the racists. You hate America, you hate our troops, you hate freedom.

    6. KatelynsNana Avatar
      KatelynsNana

      So what explains the “group” that now wants to not only boycott the newspaper, but destroy all copies containing this opinion piece, plus demand the changes that they have? One of which is, (paraphrasing), the paper will print whatever “we the group” want it to print, plus demands for space on front page for people of color, as well as demands for some type of “training?”

      Is this “group” white or not? Is there diversity of skin color in the calls for censorship on an Opinion page, for crying out loud?

      “If everyone thought like Wesleyan students did…” Like this? “That the Argus chose to give this man somewhere to share his disrespectful opinion and to then have the Argus and its staff members defend the publication, hiding behind the argument of ‘well it’s not my opinion but he’s allowed to have it’ is frankly a great disappointment.”

      Michael ortiz, ’17

      Good grief. Maybe “Wesleyan students” should be taught the First Amendment so they won’t be so “disappointed.”

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Indeed. Really, let’s just cut to the chase and have the anti-1st Amendment group provide a list of “approved” topics available for discussion.

    7. Denis O'Malley Avatar
      Denis O’Malley

      Wesleyan is a great school…But didn’t they ever teach you composition, maybe a paragraph or two?

  26. Kant Lương Nguyen Avatar
    Kant Lương Nguyen

    This entire article lacks critical thought, is hypocritical, ahistorical, and disgustingly — yet blindingly — racist.

    “Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home.”

    2015 has been the safest year for police officers in terms of felonious killings in decades.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/

    The police are inherently a white supremacist institution, regardless of how many people of color happen to be police today. The very first police force in America was used to capture runaway slaves. You could argue that’s the past, but when Black people have a higher chance of going to jail for the same crimes as their non-Black counterparts, constitute the majority of prisons while White people commit the majority of crimes in America (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf), you have to question how far away the police are from actually being a white supremacist institution. You see, the police have been killing people, especially people of color, for a very, very long time. How many “bad apples” are you considering when we talk about the police with some historical context? It doesn’t seem like very many.

    What’s interesting to me is that you cherry-pick information. How many supporters of BLM have you actually interviewed before writing this dog-shit article? Although you say “an organization cannot be labeled based of a small percentage of their membership”, how did you come to title this “Black lives Matter Isn’t What You Think” based off the actions of a few rallies, versus the overwhelming vast majority of rallies being peaceful? Don’t you see your hypocrisy?

    How did you come to question the legitimacy of an entire organization based off the actions of the few? Or is that just something you like to believe because it supports the narrative of the media you read? You don’t need to ask me how I came to assume to know what kind of media you read, it’s painfully, painfully obvious from the article. I actually think its kind of funny that you attempt to politicize this for conservatives as well, bringing gay rights into this, trying to say “support moderates!” as if moderate conservatives paralleled that of moderate BLM supporters.

    Police, since their very conception as runaway slave hunters, have been a threat to non-White people. Black Lives Matter as an organization, much less an institution to the country, has only been existent for the past two or three years, and yet you question the legitimacy of a movement that seeks to benefit Black people, versus an institution that’s very existence is to demonize Black people? Police have acted as a racist institution for longer than we have been born and you place emphasis on radicals within BLM? What a fucking joke.

    Although the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful, it is important to ask: Why should Black people remain peaceful to an institution that has, since its very conception, been a threat to them?

  27. Alum as well Avatar
    Alum as well

    I have long believed that Wesleyan is too liberal for its own good. The attack on you and your article shows exactly that. There seems to be no possibility for calm exchanges when it comes to matters like race. Though I am not black, I am also not white, and I think you are incredibly courageous to voice your opinion in the community when I have hidden mine when I was here for fear of being attacked. Thank you!

    1. DKE Bro Avatar
      DKE Bro

      Wesleyan is not an institution worth supporting.

      It will just fade away.

      1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
        Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        That’s everyone’s sentiment about BLM….not worth supporting. It’ll go the way of #ICantBreathe as soon as some other “atrocity to the black race by whitey” happens.

  28. Jeremy Caplin Avatar
    Jeremy Caplin

    Well thought out. The BLM movement reminds me a little of the OccupyWallStreet movement. The masses are disgruntled and looking for an outlet, but their agenda and leadership are both murky.

    1. Caleb Powell Avatar

      Great analogy, good motives, but extreme and absolutist views based on hatreds too often dominate their (BLM and OWS) messages.

      The BLM movement is, unfortunately, not the force for good that it could be. At least some are speaking out:
      Richard Sherman on Black Lives Matter

    2. Caleb Powell Avatar

      Stascavage writes: “On the other hand, following the Baltimore riots, the city saw a big spike in murders.”

      The Atlantic: Crime Spikes in Baltimore

      That’s called fact checking, my friends.

  29. this is shameful Avatar
    this is shameful

    this is truly, truly appalling. you should be ashamed of yourself. your words show clearly that you’re a racist. why should black people be “moderate” when they’re dying at a genocidal rate? you expect people to be moderate when their lives are at stake, to just lie down and take violence. how do you not see how wrong that is? you’re not edgy, and your words are violence in and of themselves.

    1. Simon Wethersby Avatar
      Simon Wethersby

      “they’re dying at a genocidal rate”

      Thanks for the laugh.

    2. SMH Avatar
      SMH

      They are dying at “genocidal rates” because of other black people. 94% of all black people murdered in this country are murdered by other black people. Look at the true facts not just what fits your personal motives.

  30. Kaloskagathos Avatar
    Kaloskagathos

    I am black and I actually really like this article. It asks questions that need to be asked. It’s hard not to get the uncomfortable notion that a movement that is supposed to be about showing regard for human life and dignity is seemingly indifferent when a police officer gets killed. And it’s plain to see that the movement clearly doesn’t see it as its job to do anything about the riots and lootings it unwittingly creates in its wake.

    1. Simon Wethersby Avatar
      Simon Wethersby

      How black?

      1. Earl of Sandwich Avatar
        Earl of Sandwich

        “”How black?””

        I believe it involves having a parent of African ancestry.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          I can trace my ancestry back to Africa 75,000 years ago. Does that count?

          1. Silv Avatar
            Silv

            Well… let’s talk about DNA. First of all, our genes are about 1% of our genome. In this 1%, there is one gene among 20,000 that controls melanin pigmentation concentration.

            An African American person is typically of European and West African ancestry, though without genetic testing, it is impossible to say what percent European and what percent African.

            People focus so much on visible traits, such as hair curl type, skin color, etc… which are simply geographic adaptations that make up a tiny tiny portion of our DNA.

            So an African American could be 99% European, save for that small area covering those pigment genes, and is labelled Black. This is just social labeling and not an accurate description of heritage.

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Actually the testing has already been done. The typical “African American” has about 20% European ancestry.

            “So an African American could be 99% European, save for that small area covering those pigment genes, and is labelled Black.”

            I bet you cannot identify even one example where this has happened.

          3. Silv Avatar
            Silv

            Typical is misleading when dealing with millions and billions of humans, we get one at a time in the lab, and they simply pick a ethnicity box. Yet this becomes important for in human genetics where knowing the ethnicity of a genomic region is important, as all populations have our own set of unique mutations.

            Here is the example you requested:

            http://www.humgenomics.com/content/9/1/1

          4.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            From the abstract:
            “Although
            race and ethnicity are related, race refers to a person’s physical appearance, such
            as skin color and eye color.”

            Wrong.

            When I use the term “race” I am referring to a person’s continental ancestry – nothing more. If your ancestors in the year 1500 lived in Europe, then you are Caucasian or “white.” If your ancestors in 1500 lived in Sub-Saharan Africa, then you are Negro or “black.” In this I am influenced by Michael Levine and J.Philippe Rushton. I’m not really hung up on the term “race.” Use whatever term you prefer. Luigi Cavalli-Sforza stated that there is no such thing as “race” and then spent the next 400 pages documenting the very thing he says doesn’t exist. He simply refers to “populations” and “groups.” The reason I’m not hung up on the term is because I do not not believe that every American to be classified by race, and that rights and privileges are granted to denied on the basis of that racial classification. That’s not my agenda. It is the agenda of the US federal government.

            “Genetic analysis of individual ancestry shows
            that some self-identified African Americans have up to 99% of European ancestry,”

            Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King “self-identified” as African-American. I’m not really interested in how people “self-identify.”

          5. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King are excellent examples!

          6.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Where has fraud man Shaun King crawled off to? He’s a laugh riot. SO OFFENDED THAT HE WAS BUSTED! I love seeing pics of him as a little kid, looked a great deal like his Irish dark haired mother, and I saw his evilllll YT father in the widdle tike, too. Had curly dark brown hair, very pale. Fast forward to his use of Just For Men on his DOWN FOR DE SHTRUGGLE hair shave and facial hair. Ultra Black #101, I’m guessing. He, like the female fraud must be desperate for a book deal and are realizing the 15 minutes are up.

          7. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            I had a black roommate in college. Does that give me enough essence to be black too?

          8. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Fiction can be fun!

        2. Hawg Jaw Avatar
          Hawg Jaw

          Too wks ago, i kdnt evn spl edumacation

        3. Kalsu Avatar
          Kalsu

          I had sex with a black girl once and she became a parent. Might have been mine. Does that count?

          1. Mendog Avatar
            Mendog

            How could the child have been your parent?

      2. Rich Algeni Avatar
        Rich Algeni

        Simon Wethersby needs you to take a DNA test. If you do not have the requisite amount of African Ancestry in your DNA, you must only support BLM. No criticism of thought or word will be permitted! Per order of the Thought Czars on the fascist left…, we just know better!

        1. Doodoo Avatar
          Doodoo

          Actually, Kaloskagathos needs to take the DNA test, and if he/she doesn’t have the requisite amount of African Ancestry in their DNA, the are only allowed to support Black Lives Matter. If they have the requisite amount or more of African Ancestry in their DNA, they are still only allowed to support Black Lives Matter.

        2. Hawg Jaw Avatar
          Hawg Jaw

          How do i pas de dna test, kingfish?

      3. Kaloskagathos Avatar
        Kaloskagathos

        I was born in Africa to two black African parents. Whether you’re talking about complexion or degree of African ancestry, I’m probably blacker than you.

    2. jean dumas Avatar
      jean dumas

      I usually don’t like to pull the race card but I will make an exception here. I’m black, I like the article, and your comments are spot on.

      1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
        Halb Halbhalb

        pics of your driver’s license… otherwise you’re a troll

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Pics of your Iranian Diplomatic Password, otherwise you’re a terrorist.

          1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            pics of you nazi passport… otherwise you’re a skinhead

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Now you’re discriminating against BALD people??? Shame on you! How did you get so full of hate.

          3. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            only the white supremacists ones…like *you* …

          4.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            How can a black jew be a white supremacist ?

          5. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            easy… take a look in the mirror

          6. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Sammy Davis jr.was a white supremist?

          7. Mendog Avatar
            Mendog

            He was a chocolate monk!

          8. Sneetches Avatar
            Sneetches

            I’m waiting for the punch line.

          9. Mendog Avatar
            Mendog

            With Eugenics…it can be done.

          10. Donald Miller Avatar
            Donald Miller

            Margaret Sanger? Is that you?

          11. Mendog Avatar
            Mendog

            You had me at hello.

          12. greetingsfromyonkers Avatar
            greetingsfromyonkers

            How can Rachel Dozeal be white?

            How can Bruce Jenner be a woman?

            It’s all in your head, baby.

          13. mike connor Avatar
            mike connor

            This is not on the topic, but your reply instantly made me think of a Dave Chappelle sketch. His show was some of the funniest stuff I have seen on tv since married with children.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T8L3xcsA3w

          14. Steven C Avatar
            Steven C

            halb and jamal…give it a rest…you sound like first graders

          15.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            This is exactly the problem. Knee-jerk discrimination: you disagree with me so therefore you must be “white supremacist” or worse. What nonsense. Did anyone of this college generation read anything worthwhile in high school? 1984? Even Animal Farm? And how about the First Amendment?

          16. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            if the nazi swastika fits…lace that motherf*cker up

          17. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            if the nazi swastika fits…lace that motherf*cker up

          18. greetingsfromyonkers Avatar
            greetingsfromyonkers

            What really irks me is this whole White Privilege shtick. I may be white, but my parents had to work three jobs between them to provide for the family. I attended an Ivy League college, but on a scholarship. My entire family has worked very hard for what we have. White Privilege doesn’t pay the rent or buy groceries.

            I am a civil servant in a location where there are very few white employees. The black employees are constantly hitting me up for loans. I tell them, “You had to take the same test I did to get the same job I have, which pays right to the penny the same salary that I make. Why are you asking me for money?” When they start whining about being behind in their credit card or utility bills, I just say, “I’m sorry to hear that you’re having money problems, but they’re YOUR problems, and YOU are going to have to resolve them without my help.”

            I know this sounds cold, but I am very offended at these requests. These are people who are just co-workers, not close friends. And they need to rid of their preconceived notions that I am somehow of rolling in it just because I’m white.

          19. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            They have been force-fed the whole mistaken notion of white privilege since they were in grade school. They are products of the degraded society they grew up in. Maybe if they met more white people like you, they would finally realize the crap they’ve been fed all their lives.
            This is the same crap the leaders in the Black Lives Matter movement have been fed.

          20.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Montez, I’ve met many people like you Black, Hispanic, Southeast Asian (India, etc.). Once you have assimilated into the White Supremacy Culture, you are worst than any Klansman that I have ever seen. Are you a Catalan, a large portion of them have your beliefs?

          21. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            So I am a racist for believing that no one should blame others for their lack of ambition or whatever they think is “holding them back”? We have black congressmen, judges, lawyers, even president for crying out loud! They CAN perform if you would just let them to their own devices. Many minorities don’t want your help and . . . here’s some news for you . . . THEY DON’T NEED IT! Who is the real racist? Is it me who believes that they can get along in society just fine or you, who believes they need help? (I apologize if I am reading too much into your reply.)

          22. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Political correctness is another form of censorship. If the government (or anyone really) doesn’t want the public to listen to you, they call you a racist. It’s a way to get us to shut-up and take it.

          23. BrokenArrow Avatar
            BrokenArrow

            NO, you probably are an Archie Bunker. Get real, and my bet would be you put your opinion out loud and clear…e.g. like you did here.

          24. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            What?

          25. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            What is an Archie bunker? Is it like a Louis farrakhan or an al sharpton?

          26. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            No, in fact I know I must hide my conservative views. I live in a sanctuary county and am surrounded by liberals. We know that if we stand up for our beliefs, we will lose our jobs and businesses and lose our liberal friends. Oh yeah, and we’re called names too!

          27. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            Good point. I guess we can start calling black racists black supremacists. Wouldn’t matter though, that’s allowed in today’s society. Actually celebrated.

            MLK would bitch slap a whole Lotta people were he alive today.

        2. Hurst1961 Avatar
          Hurst1961

          Post yours first Halb Halbhalb

          1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            he/she/it made the claim, the burden is on him/her/it, and notice he/she/it still hasn’t proven the he/she/it is , in fact, “black

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Obsessive much?

          3. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            d-bag much ???

          4. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            d-bag much ???

          5. TSA_TheSexualAssault Avatar
            TSA_TheSexualAssault

            No one is Black on the internet.

          6. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            LOL

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          So you can go to his house and firebomb it…..he’d put a fool to put his license online with thugs like Halb out there.

          1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            the he/she/it needs to STFU

        4. DaveZ71 Avatar
          DaveZ71

          Troll: that word doesn’t mean what you think it means. A troll is an internet moron who posts inflammatory statements to incite stupid arguments for no reason. A troll is not someone who posts in agreement with a previous statement.
          Hint: There is certainly a troll here. (Psst…It’s not Jamal).
          Solution: don’t feed the troll, and it eventually dies a slow and painful death in obscurity.

          1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            Hint: he/she/it is an obvious troll… and to see another, take a look in the mirror

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            What is your problem, dude? Calling people trolls for no reason other than they disagree with you is almost the definition of trolling. Congrats.

          3. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            obvious troll is obvious (you)

        5. jean dumas Avatar
          jean dumas

          I’m obviously not going show pics of my driver’s licences, so I am aware there is no way for people to know if I am telling the truth about being black. As a show of good faith, I will explain how I came to use the name “jean dumas”. Does not prove anything but circumstantial evidence it the best I am willing to do.

          First “jean dumas” is not my real name I think of it as a pen name, however, people that actually know me would be able to make the link with my real name for the following reasons:

          1) my first name is in fact “jean” (French for john)

          2) the letter in the name “jean dumas” is a subset of the letters in my real name.

          At this point, I am sure some people are probably able to guess my origins based on what I have written, but there is actually a bit more to the story of my chosen pen name…

          I choose “Dumas” for a number of reason

          1)As stated above all the letters are part of my name (boring computer geek reason)

          2) The author Alexandre Dumas has written some cool stuff,( The Count of Monte Cristo,The Three Musketeers)

          3) Alexandre Dumas Father was half black and born in St-Domingue (present day Haiti). This makes Alexandre Dumas part black which means black people can claim him as one of our own, and that’s what I pretty much did.(hypodescent is the technical term for it)

          Of course none of this is proof of anything, but let me say this, a black haitian guy with the first name Jean is not exactly a rare thing 🙂

          1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            this is got your name written all over it !!!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMe3WDmxBEI

      2. Jennifer Avatar
        Jennifer

        I agree with you, Jean!

      3. Greg Zoll Avatar
        Greg Zoll

        I have no issue with the article also Jean. The problem is that some in this country only want a one way street. That street is pointed towards the Far Left Radical side.

        News media is a biased format. It is supposed to allow people from both sides to have a voice. What we have now, is that there are too many mamma’s boys and girls out there, that have spent way too much time on Twitter and being indoctrinated by their parents, teachers and friends, that you should never have to work for anything. Because someone will always give it to you for free.

        1. Julie Hanson Avatar
          Julie Hanson

          BS. I’m on the “left” and really liked the article. I agree with everything he wrote. Stop generalizing everyone based on the initial that appears next to their name at the voting booth. I believe the “right” is guilty of trying to “get things for free” when they want churches (which could be any group gathering and calling themselves a “church”) to be tax-exempt. Is EVERYONE on the right a religious zealot, or a bigoted and prejudiced person? If you don’t think so, then don’t paint everyone with the same brush.

          1. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            If you’d rather that churches are not tax-exempt, that means you’d rather our government have that money. Churches feed the poor, help house the homeless, get people off drugs, any have many more worthy causes. If we give the government that extra money, they will buy military equipment to feed their never-ending wars and hire more IRS officers to harass people. I would much rather let the churches have that money! What would you prefer?

          2. BrokenArrow Avatar
            BrokenArrow

            If a church pushes a political agenda, then it should pay taxes.

          3. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            I do agree, they need to stay out of politics. AND THAT GOES FOR OUR CURRENT POPE!

          4. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            Unless the democrats need them to influence the congregations on things like healthcare, then it’s ok. Right? What about the black churches? Did they have any interest in talking about obama in 2008 and 2012? Should they also be revoked of their status?

          5. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Sorry, but I think you’ve got the wrong girl. I don’t think churches should be talking about healthcare or politics. I think churches should keep their tax-exempt status. Read my posts.

          6.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            The Pope does not reside within the borders of the United States, nor is he a citizen.
            The church has always been political. Read the bible. It’s nothing more than a record of the politics and the official policies of ancient Hebrews.

          7. Ken Black Avatar
            Ken Black

            That is an ignorant statement, at best. So I guess now you suggest that preachers are forbidden from preaching against homosexuality, abortion, etc…? Those are VERY political issues today and the very heart of mainstream Christian dogma. How do you propose that the churches “stay out of politics” and get their message across to their believers?

          8. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            That’s strange. I remember Nancy Pelosi saying they had to get the churches to start preaching about healthcare (ACA)from the pulpit. Was it ok then? But now, the church must remain separate?

            Nevermind. I know you posted a long time ago.

          9. objectivefactsmatter Avatar
            objectivefactsmatter

            BrokenArrow Lisa Montez • 11 days ago:

            “If a church pushes a political agenda, then it should pay taxes.”

            WTF? So you think that “political agendas” are always “taxed.” I see.

            And who decides what a “political agenda” is? Maybe your comments should be taxed since you’re pushing a “political agenda” to modify tax laws.

            How much do you have?

          10. TechZilla Avatar

            What a convenient framework, in Washington they just pick both. Churches get to be tax-excempt political think tanks, and wars get funded to excess. Both can go eff themselves.

            If we had democracy we would stop both, but we don’t, your entire system is illegitamate.

          11. objectivefactsmatter Avatar
            objectivefactsmatter

            “If we had democracy we would stop both, but we don’t, your entire system is illegitamate.”

            What? You think that “think tanks” should be taxed. Just because. Oh, and of course you should tax churches. Also…because…we could use the money doncha know.

            And no more wars! Of course! Because wars are just capitalism and stuff.

            The system is illegitimate. Because…well…you don’t get your way.

            Well said! I’m just not sure you understand what “democracy” is.

          12. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            You’re right. It’s all screwed up.

          13. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            I too think the churches should have that money not the government. I also believe that government is not responsible for giving charity to people. What started out as temporary assistance turned out as a way of life for some. I’ve also heard more than one well off person who spends more then they earn not care if they are broke when they’re old ’cause “the government will take care of me” .Churches and other tax exempt organizations who give to “the less fortunate give because they want to not because they are forced to. There are too many people,rich and poor alike, taking advantage of the government.

          14.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Churches are not charities, though many do charitable work.
            There is no requirement under the law that tax exempt religious organizations must give back to the community, or society.

          15. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            I suppose that’s true. It’s not a requirement. But as long as they are preaching peace, I don’t see a problem with their tax-exempt status. All in all, they are doing good for society. And we need more institutions like that.

          16.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Not all churches are good for society.

          17. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Can you give me an example?

          18.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Westboro Baptist

          19. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Okay, that’s one. There are at least 320,000 Christian churches alone in this country and you can come up with only one that is bad for society. So, let’s just condemn them all?!

          20.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            You asked for one.
            There is at least one Westboro style church in every state.

          21. ThenTheLordMadeYolettie Avatar
            ThenTheLordMadeYolettie

            I think the person was referencing those Super Churches who’s leaders use the donations for private jets and huge homes….not your average local churches. For example, the kardashians have a church……

          22. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            In those cases, it does seem like there should be a limit for the tax-exempt status. I don’t believe that preaching should be a way for individuals to get rich. I suppose that whatever system we put in place, someone will always find a way to get around the intended purpose and enrich themselves at the expense of their parishioners. But we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water and condemn all churches for the self-enrichening of a few. The Kardashians . . . really? Something’s wrong with that.

          23. RAA Avatar
            RAA

            Any group can feed the needy and house the homeless without the delusional backdrop and propaganda of a church mixed in… oh and let’s not forget about the child molestation and womanizing/racist behavior central to every religion holding up the bible.

          24. Julie Hanson Avatar
            Julie Hanson

            I would prefer that there are no churches but, since that won’t happen, I don’t think they should be tax-exempt. Guess what Lisa? If my friends and I decided to open a church called “The Elvis Costello Religious Rock ‘n Rollers”, we could do it and wouldn’t have to pay taxes. You claim that the money goes to the government instead. If that is the case, then that would enable the government to put more social programs into existence to help the poor, or even raise the minimum wage (which the republicans don’t want to do). Let’s face it — most churches that republicans belong to require you to “accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior”. If you don’t do that, then “no soup for you!” Besides, haven’t you heard of “separation of church and state”, which is what our forefathers wanted. The right is always preaching “constitutional rights”, like the second amendment (which really doesn’t back them up as far as assault weapons, etc.) go, but they twist to make it seem that it does. What is really boils down to is “separation of CHURCH and STATE.” What part of that don’t you understand?

          25. Greg Zoll Avatar
            Greg Zoll

            Actually it is the Left that wants to take your rights away, not the Right.

          26. TechZilla Avatar

            In your world the “left” is neo-liberal and your right is neo-fascists. Both want our rights, they just differ on who gets to have them. .. stop being a rube.

          27. Bella 2014 Avatar
            Bella 2014

            And exactly what rights is the Left trying to take away? Please be specific.

          28. Jim Johnson Avatar
            Jim Johnson

            It should be the right of a business owner not to have to pay employees for months without working because they had a child. The left wants to take that right away.

          29.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            So workers who produce wealth for the business owner, should have no rights?
            We have that already.

          30. Donald Miller Avatar
            Donald Miller

            What do you mean “no rights”? They always have the right to find another (better) position somewhere else.

          31.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”–Abraham Lincoln

          32. Bella 2014 Avatar
            Bella 2014

            It isn’t just the left that wants paid family leave. Anyone who has had a child knows what a great benefit it is. I do understand the hardship on small business owners, which is why I and many others advocate the government should step in and help. I’d rather have my tax dollars pay for this than for senseless wars (yes Pres Bush I’m talking to you).

          33. TexasMJF Avatar
            TexasMJF

            Amazing! I had just written the following to someone who thought your first post was aimed at all “left” people. This whole thread got hijacked. The young man who wrote the article was very effective. That was the message that needs to be realized here. “Then you are not “far left radical” as Greg Zoli said about “some in this country want”. It is an excellent article and points out that ALL of us who may LEAN left or right, conservative or liberal, need to be faster to come out about so many issues rather than allow the media to “divide and conquer”. Actually, their agenda is to cause divisiveness and encourage rancor so that people begin to spew hateful things. Sells news…”

          34. Julie Hanson Avatar
            Julie Hanson

            You are SO wrong there, Greggie. It’s the right that wants to eliminate Planned Parenthood. Republicans are also anti-union and against raising the minimum wage The marjority (54%) of republicans are opposed to raising the minimum wage. If you are talking about GUN rights, that’s entirely different. If you believe that the United States is envied for having the most mass shootings, you’re insane. We, as a country, are a laughingstock. The NRA controls politicians and seems to control the whole country. Go watch Fox News and live in your make-believe world.

          35. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            Your post would be to assume that all churches slant to the right, julie. They dont. The social justice churches are well stocked with plantation democrats who also have 501c3 status. Thanks for playing. Try again.

          36. Julie Hanson Avatar
            Julie Hanson

            I really hate to break it to you, but MOST churches are evangelical Christian and 99.9% of the evangelicals (or should I say they were “born again” (which always cracks me up)) are republicans, who are, of course more than leaning to the right; in fact, almost falling over because they are so far right. Besides, I don’t attend church. The last time I did, the holy water really burned!!! Is it supposed to do that??

          37. TexasMJF Avatar
            TexasMJF

            Then you are not “far left radical” as Greg Zoli said about “some in this country want”. It is an excellent article and points out that ALL of us who may LEAN left or right, conservative or liberal, need to be faster to come out about so many issues rather than allow the media to “divide and conquer”. Actually, their agenda is to cause divisiveness and encourage rancor so that people begin to spew hateful things. Sells news…

        2. Greg Wells Avatar
          Greg Wells

          Lmao…..I bet you find a way to insert “libruls are lazy and get everything free” into every comment you post.

          1. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            Who can blame then when every dem politician is falling over each other figuring out how much free stuff to promise?

          2. Greg Wells Avatar
            Greg Wells

            Lmao yeah I hear it over and over “promising free stuff” “they are buying votes”
            Your party does not care about you. Your candidates get all their campaign funds from the rich. Do you honestly think they are going to enact any legislation to help anyone except the rich? Because they haven’t in at least 8 years.

          3. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            I don’t need their help. At all. Self sustaining American here. So no,I definitely don’t wait for politicians to “do something” for me.

            Self sufficiency, personal responsibility. And worry less about how much money the rich have. If you had it, you’d be trying to buy politicians too.

          4. Greg Wells Avatar
            Greg Wells

            You don’t even have any morals.
            You hate how the rich control our politics, but you say you would do the same thing. I’m glad your generation has about a decade left.

          5. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
            SLUGGLIFE

            You are the one who cares about others wealth, judging from your posts. Just waiting on another man to fix your problems. Where did I say I hate how the rich control politics? Did I also blame the jews somewhere too? You seem unhinged. But I’m not surprised. This is typical. I’m only 42, but if I have a decade left, I guess it’s time to live it up. Meanwhile you’ll be here living under the tyranny you’ve sanctioned. Your liberal professors would be proud.

          6. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            I cant believe your only 42. I cant wait for you to get the boot from your company (and you will).You’ll be the first in line collecting those freebies called unemplyment ,obamacare and food stamps. And when you get old are you going to hide your money and house in your kid’s name in case you have to go to a nursing home? I know plenty of right wingers who did just that. No, I do not believe in government charity and my REP friends dont believe in it either unless they are the ones on the receiving end of it. BTW do you plan on taking Medicare when you are 65. You know that socialized medicine don’t you?

          7. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            Slugglife is probably from the generation when jobs were plentiful and people worked at the same place for 40 years. They could put their money in the bank and earned at least 5% compoundable interest and have a nice retirement. It was a time when wives could stay home with the kids ’cause the husband earned enough to support the family. It was also a time when CEOs earned 20x the average worker not 400x. Now it is for the rich by the rich.

          8. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            That doesn’t make it O.K.

          9. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            Right on!!

          10. theoldsargesays Avatar
            theoldsargesays

            Um…there’s a white gooey substance dripping from your chin.

          11. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Yeah, well nothing is ever going to change until we all get so pissed off we march on Washington. We need “Pitchfork Pat” back again. (That’s Buchanan, BTW).

          12. elmira Avatar
            elmira

            Those Dems do promise a lot of freebies and the Rep NEVER do anything about it. They just talk the talk and nothing changes. Both parties want to keep the poor poor, make the middleclass poor and make the wealthy wealthier. It’s all about being politically correct. BTW All lives matter not just black lives.

          13. Lisa Montez Avatar
            Lisa Montez

            Hallelujah! You speak the truth. But I can’t see it ever setting us free. The system is stacked against the very people it was set up for. What a joke! A sick one.

          14. Donald Miller Avatar
            Donald Miller

            Not “free”, paid for by someone else – the US taxpayer.

          15. Greg Wells Avatar
            Greg Wells

            This “well i got my stuff and I aint givin it up” is simple ignorance.
            People in democratically socialist countries have better standards of living, cheaper medical costs, and even is much happier. The rich get to be rich and the poor get a shot at a decent life.

      4.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Do that which serves your cause, not that which serves your rage. But–there’s a lot of rage out there, and this fact needs to be respected, even if the way people express it may not be morally correct, and the police need to ask themselves hard questions about how it came to this. Being dismissive of protesters, punishing people for being hostile or suspicious of them, or attempting to shift the conversation to something irrelevant (All Lives Matter, Police Lives Matter) isn’t going to help. They need to start listening.

    3. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
      Halb Halbhalb

      pics of your driver’s license otherwise you’re a troll

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Pics of your Iranian diplomatic passport, otherwise you’re a terrorist.

        1. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
          Halb Halbhalb

          pics of you nazi passport, otherwise your’re a skinhead

          1. Havid Damburger Avatar
            Havid Damburger

            HalbHalbhalb didnt deny being an Iranian terrorist..

          2. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            nazi much ???

          3. Hawg Jaw Avatar
            Hawg Jaw

            Halb…Another raghead speaks

          4. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            ^ obvious butt-hurt nazi boy is obvious

          5. Jim Prindle Avatar
            Jim Prindle

            Only when it comes to NUKING IRAN !!

            Listen, towel boy….we don’t like your kind in this country.

            Just remember that…..

          6. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            the only place that’s going to get nuked anytime soon is isra-hell

          7.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Habib Habbibbbiii> Israel has a rather good track record at dealing with trash. You might want to look that up before you write a silly post. Oh, and Israel is a fantastic country, the Muslims are treated with respect, did you know that? Look up how many incredible inventions, medical procedures, etc., come of that tiny country every year. What have the Muzzies come up with in the last 800 years? OH, THAT WOULD BE NEW WAYS TO KILL PEOPLE. Quite creative hanging men, hog tied, and lighting them on fire. Now, that’s impressive! Oh, and throwing those gay men off buildings is inspiring, huh?

          8. Halb Halbhalb Avatar
            Halb Halbhalb

            well if they threw *you* off a building…that would be *really* impressing.

      2. Kaloskagathos Avatar
        Kaloskagathos

        Umm… what are you, head of the troll control patrol?

    4. Jennifer Avatar
      Jennifer

      I agree with you! Your response is well-written!

      1. Kaloskagathos Avatar
        Kaloskagathos

        Thank you!

    5. Corey Alexander Walker Avatar
      Corey Alexander Walker

      I think this article has some valid points but is misguided in some ways. No one should be happy that a police officer was killed, because it doesn’t help anyone in the long run. However, BLM is supposedly tackling institutionalized racism that makes life much more difficult for the average black person in this country than white. Although it is a noble fight, BLM is disorganized and lacks a clear endgame. It’s just like occupy wall street all over again. However, I don’t agree with blaming BLM for riots. Riots have always happened in this country, and America was founded off of riots (American Revolution). When it comes down to it, racism is a systematic and cultural issue. It’s very complex, and while it pains me to say this, I don’t think we will ever get past it. It’s just too ingrained within our society.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        America was found on riots? No we most certainly were not. I read somewhere that some of the Founders were embarrassed by the Boston Tea Party in that they destroyed property that belonged to a private company and not the Crown. They refunded the company for the tea that was destroyed. I hope that is true. Our Founders were thinking men, not terrorists.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          what this group is saying by Black Lives Matter is that the lives of police officers don’t.

          —————————–

          Is not BLM only bit BLM too/also/as well. The lives of police officers have always mattered. People who kill officers are taken to jail and held accountable. The same isn’t done to officers who shoot civilians.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          are you actually saying that the colonists were wrong to riot against an army of occupation? or that it was wrong to go after a company that was profiting off of the english enforcement of illegal tariffs imposed by an occupying power?
          how about the revolutionary war? was that wrong? would south africans have been terorrists to shut down the apartheid mines that were profiting off virtual slave labor and stealing minerals that should have belonged to south africans?

          1. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            So you’re comparing slavery in South Africa to the BLM? The BLM are protesting for criminals that are killed by police officers. 99.9% of all police actions are justified! I would feel more comfortable having my children looked after by a police officer then a teacher, doctor or for that matter a priest!

          2. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            99.9% is not a realistic number. Kelly Thomas ring a bell?

          3. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Absolutely 99.9% of police use of force is justified! The Police in the US are among the highest trained and most progressive in the world. They have to police in a country that is among the most armed and most violent in the world. It’s sad that Americans have absolutely no regard for police but put their military on pedestals. If only you knew what the military do to people over there

          4. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            If you think the US is a violent country, I suggest you look at the historical LOW levels of crime.

          5. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Interesting that you don’t trust the police but you trust your politicians in providing you with those historical low levels of crime numbers. Compare the US to Germany, England, The Netherlands etc. You will never encounter an armed felon in any of those countries! Oh by the way, another police officer was killed yesterday!

          6. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            btw, did you see the news today, another mass shooting at a school. 10 confirmed dead and they expect to find more. If you don’t think that this country has an appetite for violence you’re the one that needs help.

            And it’s sad that you can’t appreciate that when there is a shooting it’s the police that are running toward the gunfire as all others run from it to stop the killing.

          7. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            Well if we were all allowed to have patrol cars, body armor, and a weapon…

          8.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            1. I didn’t compare anything or anyone to anything or anyone else; the commentator labeled the boston tea party participants as being terrorists for reasons that he didn’t present but aparrently because they broke undemocratic laws that were imposed on them. I asked whether he would also label some other groups that broke undemocratic laws as being terorrists.

            2. although I didn’t discuss the comparison that you ascribed to me for your own weird political reasons, no,I wouldn’t compare “slavery in South Africa to the BLM”. I WOULD compare the BLM to south african anti-apartheid activists.

            3. I would also compare the south african police slaughtering, torturing and imprisoning antiapartheid activitsts to US police shooting down unarmed afro-americans, many of whom are not criminals. and prosecutors using false evidence in order to imprison them. but never the less, even someone “suspected” of commiting a crime is entitled to not be murdered by cops.

          9. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Well, you have completely lost your rocker! You comparing US Law Enforcement (which I may add is probably the most progressive in the world) to the military of South Africa is udder nonsense. You need to break down each police involved shooting and each has to stand on it’s own merit. The problem is the BLM is saying this number of black males have been shot by police but in reality 99.9% of those shootings were justified. Its sad that Americans would rather sacrafice a police officer for a criminal. In 2015 thats where were at? Udder nonsense. That’s why our youth today have no creditability.

          10.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            1. only members of privledged classes would think that the US police are progressive. whether or not they are better than any other police force would require a breakdown of each and every poilice action in every country. I await the results of your research.

            2. no, you don’t have ” break down each police involved shooting”. they have all been broken down already and the behavior of the US police as a whole is obvious. and that includes the fact that almost every cop on the various police forces is complicant in that they all refuse to testify to the illegal behavior that they observe. and they all refuse to testify each time they observe a cop plant evidence. or beat a confession out someone.

            3. I would like to see the independent study that arrived at the 99.9% figure.

            4. it is sad that so americans would sacrifice afro-american lives and the constittution as part of their willingness to let cops get away with, well, murder.

            5. no one cares whether rightwing nutbags think that young people have crediblity. in any case, you guys have been saying that forever.

            6. how come each and every comment made at a BLM rally doesn’t have to stand on its own; how come the guy who wrote this political screed doesn’t have to break down each and every comment made by someone at a BLM demonstration to see what was really said, who said it and the context that it was under? and, instead, he can just quote faux news claims about what was said and how often and then attribute it all to BLM?
            over & out

          11.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            The guy who wrote this “political screed” actually produced thoughtful analysis, something sorely missing from your posting.

          12.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            perhaps you can point out where in his political screed the “thoughtful political analysis” is.
            as for your characterization of what my political screed is missing, well, blah, blah, blah back at you.

          13. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Really? Police are the defenders of the constitution! Sworn to uphold it every single day! Secondly, they DO NOT EVER WANT TO WORK ALONGSIDE A CRIMINAL! EVER! And stop with that stupid white privilege garbage. The only privilege is economic which I’m sure you are fortunate enough to enjoy. To compare a use of force to freedom of speech shows how ignorant you are! BLM has the right to say the things that they do and cops protect it everyday. A police use of force should be investigate on it’s own merit. For you to want to toss away a cop’s livelihood on a questionable use of force instead of holding the criminal accountable is repugnant.

          14.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            1. really.

            2. cops have never protected the constitution. if you knew any history you’d know that constitution is supposed to protect us from cops. it doesn’t.

            3. you can’t really believe that so I won’t bother stating that they not only work alongside criminals, they protect them behind the “blue shield”.

            4. you have no idea whether I have economic previlege; you only have your assumptions about anyone who disagrees with you;

            5. I have no idea what ” To compare a use of force to freedom of speech shows how ignorant you are!” is referring to; obviously you don’t either.
            6. cops only protect wealth; and they arrest, jail and kill people because of the things that they say;
            7. of course, you ignored the request that you cite to any study that supports your rant that 99.9% of the time that cops kill someone, it is “justified”. don’t worry; we didn’t expect you to be able to do so;
            8. blah, blah, blah.
            over & out

          15. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Btw the constitution was written long before the police existed. The constitution protects you from your government.

          16.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            although my previous comment made it clear that I was out of this conversation, I just couldn’t not mention that it is really astonishing that a poster who crticizes “youth of today [as] hav[ing] no credibility” would actually write an idiotic statement such as “the constitution was written long before the police existed.” ughhhh!!!! even wikipedia knows better. yechhhh!!!! you obviously make it up as you go along. whatever you think of current college education, your high school civics class obviously was too busy teahcing you a mythical story about the US to actually teach you any facts.
            (and even asuming that the “The constitution protects you from your government”, what do you think that the police are if not the government? by the way, as the supreme court has stated, that same constittuion doesn’t even require the police to protect anyone.)
            this is too boring and stupid for me to continue.
            over & out. really!!!!!

          17.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            You have a very naïve view of US law enforcement.

          18. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Then don’t call the police! Let’s go one step further and have the police stop patrolling the Wes campus. The “townies” will rip your campus apart and your sense of safety and security will disappear and before you know it you’ll be begging mommy and daddy to drive you home.

          19.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            “Then don’t call the police! ”

            Never have, probably never will. Few situations are made better by the arrival of the police.

            “before you know it you’ll be begging mommy and daddy to drive you home.


            nice try. I’m not a student and my parents are both deceased.

          20. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Ahh then you must be a criminal because every law abiding person I know appreciates the police. The only time situations are made worse when the police are called is when you’re committing a crime. So if you’re beating your wife, yes you’ll go to jail. Have a kilo in your house, yes you will go to jail.

          21.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            “Ahh then you must be a criminal because every law abiding person I know appreciates the police.”
            You’re really quite an authoritarian, and close minded to boot. Your type is really the enemy of democracy and freedom, ya little boot licker.

          22. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            That is quite humorous. I absolutely support our freedoms and I support your right to say and do what you want. But I’m a realist as well and I know that once you get rid of police the wolves in our society will run amok so if that is the society you want then move to a 3rd world country

          23.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            It’s not about “getting rid of the police.” It’s about de-militarizing them. Currently the police treat many areas as occupied territories, and themselves as a military occupation force.
            Are you unaware, or unconcerned about the many people killed by over aggressive policing?
            Frankly, I don’t trust you Friends of the Police types. The history of police violence, corruption and abuse is just far to long, and now with so many cell cameras, the usual BS police excuses (he was resisting…he fell on the way to the cruiser…he was aggressive) are being revealed as boilerplate lies used to justify out of control police violence.

          24. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            The reason police are acquiring equipment from the military is simply because they’re either free or cheap. Secondly, they’re needed since there is more and more active shooter situations taking place in America. That you cannot deny. So how would you expect your police to respond to these situations? With just their handgun? If so, then you are an inconsiderate nincompoop. So please, I am waiting for your response on how they should respond to active shooters.

          25.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            The police are wildly over-militarized. Small town sin the middle of nowhere have surplus armored vehicles. For what?
            Militarized police are enemies of democracy and freedom.

          26. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You are out of your mind. Every police officer supports and fights for democracy. They just want the tools to survive and go home to their families and it’s a affront to their safety when people like you want to restrict them to just handguns. It’s sad when Obama admits that mass shootings are now a regular occurrence in one news conference but in another slams police for militarization. Moron!

          27.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Why do cops need armored vehicles and machine guns?
            I’ll tell you: to suppress the population when they rise up against the plutocrats and militarists. I saw the militarized tactics used against the Occupy demonstrations. They were inhumane and brutal. this has become the standard response to demonstrations and protests.
            Cops demand slavish obedience. They are brutal to those who don’t comply, and the boot lickers who defend the cops support that brutality.
            The cops are not there to protect me and my people. they exist to brutalize, terrorize and oppress the masses. Their militarization and belligerence is encouraged by the powerful because the plutocrats and the enemies of democracy want them to be that way. They want them to be anti-democratic brutes and they are getting their way,

          28. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You obviously are delusional! The LA bank robbery is one of the reasons why police began acquiring semi automatic rifles. Another reason is because more and more active shooter situations keep arising. For you not to want to protect your police officers says a lot about you. Sickening in my opinion. Any demonstration if done peacefully will never result in arrest. Those demonstrators chose to break the law. BTW, I agree with their position and support their beliefs but I do not support breaking the law. There are other more meaningful ways to get Wall Street’s attention.

          29.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Thank you for sharing your authoritarian viewpoint.
            Any laws that were broken by Occupy were absolutely trivial in comparison to the laws that were broken, but have not been prosecuted.
            Legal authority emanates from the power of the people not the power of the police.

          30. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            I agree but the laws broken by the jerks in Wall Street are those behind the scene laws that don’t directly affect us but blocking sidewalks or roadways will get you arrested. If this is why you hate the police then I feel bad for you.

          31.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            First, I don’t hate police. I’m highly critical of the authoritarian brutality that has become a major aspect of policing in the US.
            Second, I’m not a criminal, which was your intial, and quite bigoted, assumption.
            Finally, civil disobedience is all about breaking small laws to bring attention to major, destructive, immoral law breaking. The violent response to civil disobedience that was on display during the BRUTAL suppression of Occupy was anti-democratic and in the service of the actual horrific lawbreakers, the Wall Street titans.
            You say you agree regarding the crimes of Wall St, but then you condemn the masses of people who were trying to do something about it, because the gov’t had failed to prosecute anyone. You rationalize police brutality in the service of plutocracy, by claiming the Occupiers deserved it because they broke some very petty laws.
            So in practice, you side with the oligarchs. you use right wing law and order arguments to support the violent repression of a movement for democratic accountability.
            You believe that the police are somehow champions of the people and of democracy. They are not. The primary purpose of the police is the protection of a social order that protects the powerful and wealthy from accountability. The police are the protectors of inequality, and the suppressors of democracy. Whether they are nice guys or brutal bastards, that is their assigned role under capitalism.

          32. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            There are better ways to bring attention. For instance blocking traffic only screws the working man and woman. Go to Greenwich or Darien and create mayhem there where all of the Wall Street jerks live. That I actually enjoy.

          33.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            “Go to Greenwich or Darien and create mayhem there where all of the Wall Street jerks live.’
            Well unless you are doing this yourself, you’re just an armchair critic here.

          34. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            I already said I didn’t agree with your tactics. That’s why I am particularly careful in who I vote during elections.

          35.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            More police brutality:

            This was a horrific incident of excessive force. Noe was a young man, about 17 years old, in a county south of Austin, and he was in a hallway in Bastrop High School, and there was a fight that broke out between his girlfriend and another girl, two females. Noe was the peacemaker. He was breaking up the fight. This was shown clearly on the video. But two school resource officers came up to him, pushed him out of the way, and one school resource officer pulled his Taser and tased him in the middle of the hallway. Noe fell back, slammed his head and then had to be put in a medically induced coma for 52 days. It was a horrific display of violence. It was much worse than we’re seeing on the video here in South Carolina

            .

            ‘http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33430-texas-student-spent-52-days-in-a-coma-after-being-tased-by-police-at-school

          36.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Here’s another instance of he police serving as oppressors of the poor:

            Last week Biloxi, Mississippi became the latest city to be sued by the ACLU for running a “modern-day debtors’ prison.” Over the past two months similar suits have been filed by the ACLU and others against the governments of Jackson, Mississippi, Benton County, Washington, New Orleans, Alexander City, Alabama, and Rutherford County, Tennessee.

            The criminal justice system has increasingly become the preferred way to fund city governments in the modern neoliberal nightmare that is the United States. The police target the poor for petty infractions that produce fines. When predictably these fines cannot be paid additional fines are piled on top and the person is thrown in prison. In many cases private collection agencies are hired to hound poor people with their increasing mountain of fines collecting money constantly but rarely closing accounts. Milking the poor for city revenue has allowed local governments to provide massive tax breaks for business community and the wealthy. In other words these programs create yet another way to redistribute money from the working class to the capitalist class.

            counterpunch.org

          37. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            That I have to review but if it’s for failure to register your vehicle, failing to insure your vehicle and driving without license then I strongly disagree with you.

          38.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Kind of biased already?

          39. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            How is that biased?

          40.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            You’re already justifying police oppression before even reading the details.

          41. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Police oppression? Is issuing a speeding ticket police oppression? Speed and DUI kills more people each year then guns

          42.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            It appears that you haven’t had the opportunity to read the article, but still jump to conclusions.

          43. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            I’m not going to read delusional news stories that are written by paranoid gun grabbing nut jobs.

          44.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Then fuck off Jim. Go lick some cops boots.

          45. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You’re the idiot Joe! I am a law and order guy and cops are an instrument in carrying out law and order. Laws are passed by the people and generally most laws are in place to protect all of the people.

          46.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            You’re clearly a close minded bigot afraid to examine any evidence that might undermine your boot licking adoration of the police.
            What a punk! you make all kinds of assertions, w/o evidence, then refuse to look at actual evidence that’s presented to you.
            Come back when you learn the rules of argumentation, evidence and debate, but hen, it’s probably far too late for you in that regard

          47. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Show me the evidence dummy

          48.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Go screw yourself Jim. I presented evidence, but you cyber screamed some nonsense about people who want to take your guns away.

          49. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You’re a huge DB – I’m not a gun nut idiot

          50.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Blah blah blah

          51.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            ” Laws are passed by the people and generally most laws are in place to protect all of the people. ”

            And unicorns are lovely creatures also.

          52.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Still more abuse of poor and minority citizens by police:

            Thousands “disappeared” at Chicago Police Homan Square black site.

            ‘http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/29/homan-m10.html

          53. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Are you serious? Is this even a legit news source? C’mon stick to real news sources that have creditability.

          54.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            You’re a very ignorant and biased Jim. I’m done with you.
            You’re mind is obviously closed to any new evidence. wsws.org is a respected news site, you stupid close minded bigot.
            Go lick some more cop boots Jim.

          55. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You’re a child obviously. Talk to me when you grow up

          56.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Yeah right Jim. I’m not the “child” hiding my eyes and refusing to look at evidence.
            Intellectually you’re a pathetic punk Jim. I rarely say this, but you are so far below my level of intellect as to make actual intelligent discussion impossible.
            Have a great day, dummy.

          57. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Show me some evidence dummy. I’m not going to blindly follow what you or any other moron says

          58.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            I’ve been trying to show you evidence, but like a child you cover your eyes and refuse to see.
            So be it, authoritarians like yourself are never convinced by logic and evidence.

          59. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You obviously need some mental health help. Please do not reproduce

          60.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Blah blah

          61. Two Americas Avatar
            Two Americas

            “The laws broken by the jerks in Wall Street are those behind the scene laws that don’t directly affect us.”

            Who is this “us” that is not directly affected?

          62.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Such a narrow view. Do I really need to point you to the many cases where police flat out made mistakes (they’re human obviously )and someone died as a result? So your statement about situations only being worse if you’re committing a crime is flat out wrong…

          63. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            I’m so sick of that BS that you and others like to claim that if the sh-t’s hitting the fan that you’ll handle it yourself. You’ll be on your phone calling 911 asking for help and those fine men and women in blue will come and provide it to you despite your personal hatred for them.

          64.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Adtually, no I wont. Unless its a situation where I need a police report for insurance…

          65. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            You are such a liar! Someone breaking into your house you’ll be on 911 begging for police

          66.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Honestly, I’m glad you’ve had great interactions with police. I hope it stays that way for you. But I’ve seen enough to know that many of them are criminals with a badge and government support

          67. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Really? Pretty f’d up for you to say that without any evidence to support that claim.

          68.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            And let’s be serious, there are plenty of terrible cops who are complicit in crime and actually helping criminals. You’ve gotta realize that

          69. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Sure and they get arrested too. What’s your point?

          70.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Arrested and convicted are two different things right ?

          71. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Don’t forget “hands up don’t shoot” was a LIE! Ruined the officer’s life! But I bet your okay with that.

          72.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            If what you’re referring to is true then no I’m not ok with that…unlike you I want fairness and parity for both sides

          73. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Seriously? Officer Darren Wilson was found to be justified in his use of force against Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO but has since had to resign and go into hiding because BLM terrorist have threatened his life.

          74.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Listen, I’m done going back and forth with you because it’s clear you only have a biased agenda. Amd its clear you’re only intetested in throwing out one name or two to support said agenda..I’m glad your interactions with officers have been positive. I hope that continues for you. Take care

          75. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            There have been police officers that have used inappropriate force and those officers were arrested and dealt with. You are being biased. Fact is 99.9% of police encounters occur without any issue. That is a fact! You have a better chance of being struck by lightning then being assaulted by a police officer but only if you’re a lawful citizen. If you want to protest something, protest Political corruption. And as long as you behave, the police will protect your right to protest.

          76.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Problem is you’re so on the side of the law that you can’t objectively see that just because officers peers said they were justified doesn’t necessarily mean they werent wrong.. just like when a criminal isn’t convicted, it doesn’t mean that they were in the right, just that they weren’t convicted. If you can’t see that then going back and forth with you is pointless

          77. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            I disagree with you. I try to look at each and every incident objectively. In the Michael Brown case, he attacked an officer and struck the officer several times. If you don’t think getting punched is severe then google “knock out game.” You expect the police to put their lives on the line and you won’t give them the benefit of protecting themselves is pretty f’d up.

          78.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Goodbye….

          79. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Typical far left liberal – if the argument doesn’t suit your agenda you’re out! And I consider myself in the middle leaning left too.

          80.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            No, it’s just that you’ve said so many biased, untrue comments that I don’t know where to start. So I’m choosing to push my energy elsewhere. Take care

          81.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            And obviously many go without being arrested too… what’s your point ?

          82. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Absolutely false! They’re held to a much higher standard. Many officers are getting fired for simply stating their opinion on social media. Imagine that, losing your job over making a statement on social media. Teachers do it all the time and professors at universities actually go out and commit crimes and continue to keep their jobs and teach.

          83.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Udder nonsense??!!
            What do cows have to do with it?

          84.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            ” I would feel more comfortable having my children looked after by a police officer then a teacher, doctor or for that matter a priest!”
            Then you’re a fool.

          85. Jim Scotts Avatar
            Jim Scotts

            Yes Joe I would! You can leave your kids with a Priest if you like but I’ll stick to the police because I know that 99.9 % of them are absolutely good!

          86.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            ROFL

        3. mobetta Avatar
          mobetta

          Our founding fathers were LITERALLY terrorists. Get over yourself and be proud. Standing up to tyranny is a messy job. GET DIRTY.

          1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            How are the founding fathers of the greatest country in the entire world terrorists?

          2. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            You seem to have a hang up with the word “terrorist” and i dont know why. British tyranny deserved terror.

          3. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Terrorism is burning down cities so who fits that mold?

          4. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            So ya think the people in the middle east would rather have not had the british teacj them how to extract the oil from the ground. Think any nlacks will leave america and head back to Africa. White colonialists have doubled the life expectancy in colonized counttries. Turned them from 100% third world into participants in rhe first world.,your welcome! Looking at the world thru a tiny window is your loss. America does more global charity work in the world then any other country. Your a hate filled idiot,,I pity your sad negative existence.

          5. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            You drunk or what? I love America and served in combat. It doesnt make me love America any less that we terrorized the British…and I dont know why it offends you either.

          6. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            You drunk or what? I love America and served in combat. It doesnt make me love America any less that we terrorized the British…and I dont know why it offends you either.

          7. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            We terrorized the british? Dont know what that means. Sorry wrong thread…

          8. OneOut Avatar
            OneOut

            Because they weren’t terrorists, they were revolutionaries.

            Different words with different meanings.

          9. mobetta Avatar
            mobetta

            LOL. How relative.

          10.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Yes, compare the eloquence of BLM minions with that of our founding fathers. Pish.

      2. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
        Kizmet Paradigm

        What they say they are is different then what they really are.Hate group filled with racial hatred is more fitting

      3. DaveZ71 Avatar
        DaveZ71

        Corey, I agree that it is complicated, but I don’t believe it’s too ingrained to change. When the organizers of BLM incite a riot, they should be held accountable for it’s destruction. When they do not denounce the rioters and remove them from their ranks, they are going to be held accountable for the criminals who use them as an excuse. When the police are responding to rioting and looting, they can and should respond with whatever tools they have to do the job of restoring peace and arrive back home safely. Asking people to be nice and go home wasn’t working. Undoubtedly, we need officers who treat people with respect, and a public that is understanding of the challenges of law enforcement, and responds to officers like people. When they are looking for a criminal, or have contacted someone for violating a law, it is also that person’s responsibility to respond in a manner that does not create hostility. People have a personal responsibility for their part of every interaction.
        I don’t know where you live, but here in CA the average black person doesn’t operate under this cloud of “expected racism”. They tend to treat a police officer with respect, and are therefore not treated disrespectfully by the police officer. I won’t throw out a number because I don’t have one, but a very significant portion of people (of all skin colors) killed by police were apparently NOT cooperating. Again, I don’t have a number but it’s obvious from the news reports that many of those suspects who do not cooperate are black and “tired of being persecuted”. Then they respond negatively to police contact or resist instead of being compliant. That could very well be a major contributor to the violent outcome of the interaction. The idea that someone should respond like a jerk, or should physically fight with officers because they think they’re right, sets a certain tone and has lead to many unnecessary funerals.

      4. unclesmrgol Avatar

        A movement is defined by how well it controls the more extreme elements within it. If you have people chanting after a police officer has been killed about how nice that was, and you do nothing as a movement to deny those extreme ideas, then you are rightfully defined by them. If your leaders call for a riot and one happens, then you are rightfully defined by all the photos. If you beat down the guests in a restaurant you’ve taken over to deliver your message, you are defined by the resulting cellphone pics.

    6. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “seemingly indifferent when a police officer gets killed.”

      The thing is though is when an officer gets killed the most prominent faces of BLM speaks up and denounces the killing. True there are factions within the group that are indifferent but you have people like Deray and Marc Lamont Hill go on tv and state the movement is about peace and it’s wrong when officers are killed/targeted. Even on social the response from key BLM members is one of condolences. Hell Eric Garner’s daughter laid the flowers at the memorial for the slain officers in NY. But the same isn’t done when the roles are reversed. You don’t see officers or law enforcement condemn shootings when one of their own unjustly shoots a civilian. When Amadou Diallo was shot 19 times there weren’t LE officials going on tv expressing sorrow. It as well he looked like a rape suspect they were chasing and he couldn’t understand English. When Sam Dubose was shot in the back of the head were there police officers stating how unfortunate the shooting was? No there wasn’t. Now you might say officers don’t want to comment during an ongoing case. Ok what about Rekia Boyd. A woman from Chicago shot in the back in the head by a police officer who claimed he was shot but lied and fired his weapon into a crowd. After the case there wasn’t a string of people showing remorse it was just the same silence as it always is.

      1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
        Kizmet Paradigm

        Chicago? Blacks kill 30 blacks in a slow weekend there….

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          What is that in reference to exactly?

          1. Koolibog Avatar
            Koolibog

            …Black Lies Matter…

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        “The thing is though is when an officer gets killed the most prominent faces of BLM speaks up and denounces the killing.” — Yeah, more a “we didn’t do this and had no contribution to it” reason, than a benevolent reason.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          No they actually speak out against it. I’ve seen BLM leaders say this officer shouldn’t have been killed and we don’t condone violence. It’s not just a bunch of people giving a scooby doo reaction and state don’t look over here.

    7.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      You think #BlackLivesMatter actually cares? They don’t. See their initial response to the killing of Jamyla Bolden. They’ll say that it’s a separate issue and they’re only concentrating on killings that involve cops. Then don’t use the hashtag Black Lives Matter, implying they matter in all circumstances.

    8. SLUGGLIFE Avatar
      SLUGGLIFE

      Excellent post. I came late to this article and story and still can’t seem to find out what the problem is. Who was offended? Why strip Argus of funding? Doesn’t make sense. Unfortunately, the climate has been established that if BLM has any type of grievance, instead of hashing it out on the battlefield of ideals it’s better to air their grievance in a way that affects the rights of others yet benefits BLM. This is why we reject their positions. Endless grievances for grievance sake wears people out and they tire of your endless demands.

      Again, excellent post.

    9. N "Knows" Davis Avatar
      N “Knows” Davis

      Kaloskagathos: Well said. In my opinion there needs to be a movement in the US for ALL RACES which encourages couples to marry first and be at least somewhat established before having children (at least HS or GED, an apartment, a job, a car, and much love and commitment between the couple).

      I know that sounds unrealistic (sort of like the 1950s), the way things are right now; but that foundation makes it so that we are able to give children the sort of foundation they need to become good citizens, good police officers and humans who have a chance to succeed in life…. maybe learn a trade or even go to college. Yes the problems are worse in inner cities, but those caught in those inner city environments do seem to be “marked” a bit more and have more problems. We need to do something to help them.

      I live in a 55% black city in the southeast where the mayor is a black woman as is the city manager. I live on both the Pacific and South eastern Atlantic coasts and so get to see a variety of ways of living. I am white, but my south eastern coastal city home is near an historically black university and the neighborhood is working to (middle) -middle class and about 35% black. The home owners who live around me all get along well and work hard (some with 2 jobs). Their children (black or white), tend to go to community college to get a technical degree or university. The homes are smallish 1950s and so do not meet the section 8 standards so there are no section 8 homes around (which, I am sorry to say, probably helps the low crime of the neighborhood). I see my black and white neighbors as identical…hard working couples with children- some elderly whites mixed in- who live in 3 BR one bath homes they own and take good care of. We are Americans. We are southerners living side by side with care and love.

      I see much success in this rather middle class city where both blacks and whites work hard to try to make a nice community. We do have the advantage that the state provides free tuition college tuition for each child who graduates with a B average and they get to keep the free tuition as long as they maintain that B (there is NO income limit on the high end either). I think this gives EVERYONE hope. This 55% black populated city has 26% college graduates. No federal anything was used to accomplish this. It is individual, state and local effort

      There are still problems, but with the police force being made up of all races I do not hear of police officers picking in any race.

      Of course even here, there are some problems with shootings among the youth who seem to not have had good example or direction set for them. There are section 8 area that are dangerous. We are the first state that tried mixing section 8 into the suburbs. That just brought those house prices down after the few shootings began. Even 2 or three shootings in “nice” suburbia brings the home values down. There has to be another way….. (as mention at the beginning of this statement)

    10. Two Americas Avatar
      Two Americas

      You should run for president. White folks love that stuff.

  31. Cthulu Avatar
    Cthulu

    NO LIVES MATTER

  32. VCstudentagainstliberalgroupth Avatar
    VCstudentagainstliberalgroupth

    I stand with you Bryan Stascavage. You’ve got my support. I agree with what you’re saying.

    -Vassar student

  33.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    This comment section is a real rollercoaster. I start off thinking someone has a great point, then a few inches down the page that same person is acting like a total moron.

  34. Simon Wethersby Avatar
    Simon Wethersby

    Come on, not as bad as the time I heard the bros calling rape a ‘hot Cosby’.

  35. Simon Wethersby Avatar
    Simon Wethersby

    Here’s a microaggression against marginalized individuals

    http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s19e01-stunning-and-brave

  36. UNI BALL Avatar
    UNI BALL

    I really don’t subscribe to this Fox News meme of “Fair and Balanced”. It’s a conservative ploy to spread disinformation and create false narratives. You suggest that we need to check our anger at the door and come together to solve the problem of police brutality? Let me know when you think we should negotiate with murderers and pedophiles instead of putting them in jail. The police are out of control and always have been. Sure, they’re not all bad, but when the good ones stand aside and don’t confront or report the misdeeds of the bad ones, that is being complicit. The bad ones, the killers and abusers always get off because their fellow good officers don’t believe they need to act. Suggesting that BLM members show love an support to police departments is ludicrous. Are the police really scared? Well we’ve all been scared of them for far too long now. What’s the answer. The police need to change. They cannot continue to hide behind their blue wall of silence. The bad cops need to be prosecuted and jailed. There’s no “other” side to this. It’s pretty straight forward. You commit a crime, you go to jail. We’ve never had a get out of jail free card. Murderers and abusers on the police force should be treated no different.

    1. John Avatar
      John

      The problem with BLM’s tactics is that those few bad cops aren’t leaving and the good ones are leaving inner city police departments in droves. 500 cops have quit in D.C. over the last year or so, for example, and
      they have no conceivable means to replace them. Those inner cities need the police there and BLM has created an extremely dangerous situation. So let me ask you this: Are you prepared to become a cop to fill the vacuum you’ve created?

    2. KatelynsNana Avatar
      KatelynsNana

      So, when someone inspired by BLM, such as the coward in New York that ambushed two officers in a car, BLM should celebrate (as they did)? Why? Why shouldn’t they, if the movement is legit, denounce that type of cowardly action, inspired by their movement? Because they didn’t, many people do not support them, because they celebrate every cop’s death. So, here’s the blanket statement … all of BLM hates cops because all cops are bad. Turn about is fair play, right?

      It is noteworthy also that most of the “bad cops” tend to be in dense urban areas on the east and west coasts, not so much in flyover country. I wonder why that is?

  37. Bryan Miscariage Avatar
    Bryan Miscariage

    This cat is the most painfully generic conservative fuckwit this side of the Mason Dixon. Dude wants to be the next Stephen Crowder so bad.

  38. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
    Matthew Slyfield

    “Good officers, like the one I talked to, go to work every day even more worried that they won’t come home.”

    True, but they shouldn’t be. The fact is that 2015 is on track to be the second safest year ever for police officers, second only to 2013. Not only are fewer officers being killed, the number of assaults on officers are down.significantly over the last few decades.

    Officer’s are more afraid then ever not because they have more reason to fear, but their trainers and unions deliberately engaging in fear mongering. Telling officers that they only have a 50/50 chance of walking away from any one traffic stop, which is pure nonsense.

    1. John Avatar
      John

      That’s exactly the sort of fear the BLM movement is instilling in the black community. Statistically, a black person is over 30 times more likely to die in an automobile accident than at the hands of the police.

      The facts are that while blacks are twice as likely to be arrested as whites, blacks are no more likely to be killed by police (per incidence of arrest) than whites. So they shouldn’t be any more afraid of the police than anyone else.

      1. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
        Matthew Slyfield

        A little over 50 officers have been killed so far this year.

        On the other hand US police so far have killed 853 people.

        http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

        Perhaps the problem isn’t that blacks are more afraid than they should be, maybe the problem is that you aren’t afraid enough.

        1. John Avatar
          John

          Statistically, I’m about as likely to die at the hands of a cop as I am to be killed in a car accident. I take precautions, but I don’t obsess over it; precautions like not committing crimes, getting into physical altercations with armed people, etc. “How not to get killed by the police” isn’t a difficult subject matter.

          1. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
            Matthew Slyfield

            Cops have kill a lot of unarmed and innocent people over the last year.

            Innocent people have died in SWAT raids on wrong addresses.

            There was a man who survived, but was shot in the leg when he reached for his ID after a cop demanded to see it.

            “How not to get killed by the police” isn’t as easy as you think.

          2. John Avatar
            John

            You’re strawmanning. No one is asserting there is absolutely no room for improvement re police conduct and community interactions. What people are contesting is the scope of such behavior. Police make upwards of 10 million arrests per year. That works out to something like 30,000 per day. That things go wrong in an iota of those encounters does not an epidemic make. The fact is that in 99.99% of arrests nothing goes wrong. And of that 0.01% of the time when the police kill a person, in the overwhelming majority of those cases had the cop not killed the person the person would have killed the cop. So you can talk about only 50 police officers being killed compared to 853 people killed by the police, but instead of 50 that number could easily be 500 had the officers in question not acted without hesitation.

          3. Buck Avatar
            Buck

            The only way that’s true is if you are an armed felon on the run who just robbed a bank.

        2. Wow Avatar
          Wow

          Perhaps the problem is the ever soaring crime rate and drug epidemic. People like yourself don’t realize there are places in this country that are so dangerous. You throw stats of police related deaths but forget to mention the murders and crime going on in every city across the nation. Very naive.

          1. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
            Matthew Slyfield

            There is no soaring crime rate. Go look at the FBI statistics. Crime rates are down across the board in almost every category. There are occasionally year over year spikes, but crime rates are at or near 20 year lows.

          2. Buck Avatar
            Buck

            While the trend is downward, and the nationwide crime rate is lower, there are areas of dramatically increased crimes. Baltimore, 246 murders so far this year (compared to 211 in all of last year). DC just passed their murder count from last year. Denver is at 40, vs 28 at this time last year. Crime is up 14% in Seattle. Curious – what do all of these cities have in common?

          3. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
            Matthew Slyfield

            The magnitude of increases you mention taken from historic lows are hardly “dramatic”

        3. Buck Avatar
          Buck

          Please use statistics correctly. 853 people, most were armed and dangerous. Those idiots began there day wanting to do harm to someone else. The policeman began his day wanting to come home alive.

    2. KatelynsNana Avatar
      KatelynsNana

      “50/50 chance of walking away from any one traffic stop, which is pure nonsense.”

      Tell that to the troopers who are shot upon approaching a car pulled over on the highway. Granted, there are not many, yet, but one is too many. Those acts, pulling a gun and shooting an officer, or anyone, without warning or in the back, is a case of pure cowardice.

      1. Matthew Slyfield Avatar
        Matthew Slyfield

        but one is too many.

        “Granted, there are not many, yet,”

        The numbers of such shootings are not increasing, so there wont be that many ever.

        Given the tiny numbers of such shootings and the very large number of traffic stops in the US, the odds that any given officer will get shot during any given traffic stop is around the same order of magnitude as the odds that the officer will be struck by lightning during the same traffic stop.

        “but one is too many.”

        Agreed, but one is also too many for unarmed drivers shot because an officer panicked because he had been fed a ridiculous myth about how risky his or her job is.

        1. KatelynsNana Avatar
          KatelynsNana

          and the same for armed drivers who have been conditioned to believe all cops are “out to get them.” there is no easy answer, and there is blame to go all the way around.

  39. Jim Scotts Avatar
    Jim Scotts

    Finally a Wesleyan Student that actually gets it! I applaud Mr. Stascavage for having the courage to speak his mind and address this issue. The BLM movement is most certainly a questionable movement promoting violence to achieve their agenda. Certainly not something the Great Dr. MLK would approve of.

  40. Steersman Avatar
    Steersman

    Quite a good article on a very complex issue. And, arguably, an important contribution to an increasingly
    necessary “national conversation on race”. And one that shouldn’t be aborted because some (few) students get their knickers in a twist and want to impose egregious censorship because the Argus was supposedly remiss in not providing “safe spaces”.

    However, while there seems no shortage of evidence for “racism among the police”, the fact that “Black Lives Matter rallies [were] cheering after an officer is killed” suggests that no small amount of blame can be laid at the doorsteps of the black community itself.

    And one of the better and more balanced expositions of that point of view was Cathy Young’s article from
    about a year ago titled, Ferguson Beyond Black and White; a few salient quotes from it:

    Others on the right—not only Rush Limbaugh but black commentators such as Jason Riley—are taking a more traditional conservative view which sees the black community’s worst woes as due not to racism but to its own cultural problems, aggravated by the welfare state and liberal paternalism.

    Each of these narratives—“racial injustice” and “cultural dysfunction”—has its truths and its blinders. Each, by itself, is overly simplistic and (as it were) black and white, both with regard to the situation in Ferguson and with regard to the larger picture. ….

    But it’s also difficult to take the liberal narrative seriously when it results in such fallacies as writer Jamelle Bouie’s purported debunking of the “myth of black-on-black crime.” The gist of Bouie’s argument is that most violence involves same-race victims and offenders, regardless of racial group. True; but, unfortunately, it’s no myth that a vastly disproportionate number of intra-racial murders in America—almost 50 percent—are black-on-black. ….

    At the same time, no amount of reform can completely eliminate racial tensions around law enforcement as long as African-Americans are disproportionately involved in crime. That brings us to the much larger unfinished business of racial inequality. The “national conversation on race” is a perennial cliché. But the only way to even get that conversation started is to listen to different voices.

  41. Glocks and Coon Hounds Avatar
    Glocks and Coon Hounds

    I do not see anything wrong with this article and / or its message. I actually thing its a good thing to get folks to come out and discuss what’s going on here. Yet, these students and teachers who have signed that petition are trying to keep us all uninformed and keep us from talking openly about things like this very topic. Just because BLM is supposed to be a movement to stop racially motivated police brutality, we don’t have the right to question its sincerity? whether or not they are being hypocritical? or even if they are a legitimate, Anti Racist movement, or just another hate group? And those who do have a problem most likely only do so either out of confusion because they are now programed to speak out or shut down anything or anyone who even mentions “Black Lives Matter” along with a word like “wrong”, or “Illegal” or “Hate group” in the same paragraph, or because they just don’t understand that every movement has its dark side… every group, no matter how good their intentions or how righteous their leaders or creators or founders are / were, will have members or even non members, doing things, committing crimes, being bad…in the groups name. Like the “Smith” kid in the interview above states, ““You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.” … This is true yet, even he does not truly believe this… If he did, if we all did, we would not be where we are today, in 2015. we’d be much further along.

  42. Tomas Jones Avatar
    Tomas Jones

    Disagree with Argus? Shut it down! Way to go, Wesleyan! Not sure ya’ll understand the whole free speech thing.

    1. NoNonsense Avatar
      NoNonsense

      Well, I’m sure. They don’t understand.

  43. Tomas Jones Avatar
    Tomas Jones

    Holy crap, you folks just don’t get it. It’s called the f-ing First Amendment. There’s absolutely no goddamn grey area here, gang. Stascavage wrote — say it with me, everyone — an OPINION piece. See how that works? It’s his opinion. It’s what he thinks. Not the paper. Him.

    Do I agree with him? No. Will I defend his right to say what he thinks? Yes.

    That’s how it works in our country, kids.

    So take your entitled, trustafarian selves a few steps back.

    Free speech, kids. Couple o’ good books been written on the subject. Maybe read ’em?

    1. CissyScum Avatar
      CissyScum

      B-but my liberal arts professors taught me that free speech is hate speech and that’s exactly like shouting ‘adult vocational classes’ in a burning Baltimore CVS.

      1. dmacleo Avatar

        ROTFLMAO I just got coffee on my keyboard

      2. Hawg Jaw Avatar
        Hawg Jaw

        Yo professr be a dumb ass coon

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Ha ha! I’m stealing that one, CissyScum!

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Those rejecting freedom of speech are precious, fragile flowers. It’s so scary, after all, the real world of discussion, negotiation and debate.

      1. FindingAtlantis Avatar
        FindingAtlantis

        Ain’t nobody got time for dat!

        1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
          Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

          What you talking about? Getting a job? Yea, I got no time for dat!

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        The Left is on warp speed to shut down freedom of OTHERS speech. Old Bernie S. was invited to evillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll evangelical Liberty College ( a very good school, btw) and was treated with respect and kindness. The students listened and applauded at some of what he said. Nobody heckled, he was not threatened, he did not need armed police to walk him in and out. See how they treat a Conservative at Columbia. My, such a fab univ, Columbia. I mean, even the smartest guy EVER went there…BHObama! Ooooops, nobody remembers him….

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          in my experience, conservatives tend to be much kinder and more respectful of people they disagree with than so-called liberals are.

          and they tend to pick up their trash after a rally.

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        And yet, the Constitution extends protection to free speech ONLY from government censorship. There is no constitutionally protected speech beyond that. Thus, there is no response to this op ed that can be called an attempted violation of First Amendment rights nor could a refusal by the Argus editorial board to decline publication of this piece be termed an assault on the First Amendment. There is nothing in this entire story that is even tangentially related to constitutionally protected speech.

        “Amendment 1
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…”

        Note that there is NO absolute protection of free speech, there is ONLY protection from government censorship. There simply is no constitutional basis for the notion of absolute free speech.

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      The invocation of the First Amendment in this instance is specious. Since the Argus is not an arm of the government, no claim to First Amendment protection can be made. Nobody enjoys a constitutionally protected guarantee of an op ed in the Argus. The ONLY constitutional protection to free speech in the First Amendment is from governmental censorship. Thus the publisher and editorial board can refuse anybody an op ed column for any reason without infringing upon their First Amendment rights to free speech. However, concerning your larger absolutist free speech position, there are many topics that the Argus would not touch with a ten foot pole, such as op eds which advocated blatant racism, anti Semitism, pedophilia, domestic violence, etc., no matter how ardently a staff writer pushed for the inclusion of such columns. Additionally, most other Western democracies have no such sacrosanct deification of free speech at all costs – Canada and Germany spring to mind – and they are not functionally less free than we are. Fetishization of absolute free speech only benefits those who would abuse it most. There can be, should be, and indeed are reasonable limits – some imposed by government, some merely by self restraint – upon speech.

      1. Tom Wichita Avatar
        Tom Wichita

        The First also Includes freedom of the Press, Freedom to congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression.

        You don’t agree with piece, write our own opinion for the paper. Express your freedom of the press.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          And yet, the First Amendment protections of free speech extend ONLY to government censorship. Exactly how do “freedom of the Press, Freedom to congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression” mean that someone has a constitutionally protected right to an op ed in the Argus? Please read the First Amendment and see what it actually says in reference to constitutionally protected speech.

          1. Tom Wichita Avatar
            Tom Wichita

            YOU really don’t understand what you are talking about do you. The First Amendment covers religion, press and other forms of speech. This debate we are having is about a newspaper and what it wrote. Freedom of the press is covered in the first Amendment. So your argument, while normally correct, is lacking here. The First is fully relevant in this debate.

          2.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Can you not read? I SPECIFICALLY mention “the First Amendment protections of free speech” and NEVER claim that is the only subject the First Amendment applies to. In this instance it has been invoked ONLY in regards to the freedom of speech – which is quite clearly spelled out in the Constitution as applying ONLY to government censorship. How is freedom of religion or assembly even remotely germane to the discussion?

          3. Tom Wichita Avatar
            Tom Wichita

            And yet, the First Amendment protections of free speech extend ONLY to
            government censorship. Exactly how do “freedom of the Press, Freedom to
            congregate, freedom of religion, and other freedoms of expression” mean
            that someone has a constitutionally protected right to an op ed in the
            Argus?

            1-The above shows you did question what the 1sts applies to.
            2-Thomas Jones just said “the First Amendment”. You limited that and did not include press as you show in the above statement when you question why I would bring in the press.
            3-You keep discussing Government censorship. Yes My right to speak in public is granted by the first, But the first Also allows for freedom of religion. That is not a Government Censorship issue (as you are discussing. Down deep you could argue the government could close any church they don’t like.) Freedom of the press is also a right that is granted under the first (and unless you are arguing the government allows which press may print and which press may not print) running/owning a paper does not fall under that argument either.
            4-Freedom of religion and assembly are both strong parts of the first few talk about in these discussions. and to say the fist is only about speech limits the power of the first.
            5- we are discussing what can a paper write and print. people are trying to shut down the paper for printing things they don’t like. The “First” gives the paper the right to print what it wants.

          4.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Read the First Amendment. Sorry to break it to you, but no, there is NO general right to absolute free speech. That is a common misconception, but the idea is no less wrong for its prevalence. Additionally, you can invoke the entire Constitution, but I SPECIFICALLY limited my discussion to the free speech and free press section of the First Amendment. Your dragging in religion into this discussion is a rather bizarre straw man argument. And since neither did I call for the Argus to be shut down, your lobbing that over the transom is just another logical fallacy. You may disagree with my opinion of Stascavage’s piece, but the wording of the First Amendment is really quite clear on this point: the ONLY constitutionally protected speech is that protected from government interference. If you disagree, please cite the bit in the First Amendment that supports your position.

            Funny how little you actually put into practice your much vaunted devotion to absolute free speech the very instant you encounter an idea with which you disagree – whether or not you actually understand it is another matter. However, my right to free speech is every bit as sacrosanct as Stascavage’s – or yours.

          5. Tom Wichita Avatar
            Tom Wichita

            1- The reason I jumped in to this argument is for the fact that you stated the First only applies to speech. I jumped in and said it also applies to press, religion, and such. you debated this with me and now you say you have always said you were adding in the press section along with speech.
            2- I believe the article in the Argus is good and I am for the papers right to print what they want. Many people are boycotting this paper now based on this article and it’s right to print it. Thomas said he was for the article and the paper’s right to print the article and you jumped him for saying that. I jumped you for jumping Thomas. Now you claim to be for the Paper and their right to free speech.
            3-“there is NO general right to absolute free speech”–I love it when people pull statements out of mid air and start arguing them as if the other side has already argued the other point. Few would argue with you on this. Let me try. “Puppies are cute and only a sociopath would say otherwise.” Did I do that right?
            4-You keep bring up The fact that ” the ONLY constitutionally protected speech is that protected from government interference” So What?? Your argument does not define what you want to really say. It only recants a concept thrown around forums without any real understanding of the idea behind it. I was trying to explain a little more broadly in the last post that the First is more complicated then your High School teacher led you to believe.

            The First is a beautiful amendment and to ever say it ONLY means this or ONLY means that is simplistic and ignorant.

          6.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            Lameass straw man as I most certainly did NOT limit the First Amendment only to free speech, I just chose to talk about the free speech and press sections because those are the only ones that logically apply to this conversation. When did you stop beating your wife?

          7. Tomas Jones Avatar
            Tomas Jones

            Somebody’s acing pre-law!

      2. Tom Wichita Avatar
        Tom Wichita

        and you have the right to express that opinion because you live here in the USA.

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I guess you get to decide… or do you want a tyranny of the majority… or would putting the job into the hands of an elite few suit you? Canada is functionally less than we are. They took serious steps to try the author of a book. ThIs that what you want? Germany tried full government control of speech and ended up cleansing million of innocent people and you use them as an example? The logical argument is that Germany, with a much greater level of free speech than in the past, has made large humanitarian strides. See how that works. So please, answer the questions and get off your unicorn.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Lameass red herrings and straw man arguments. Why not just comment on what I actually wrote instead of your febrile fantasies? Half my family lives in Canada. You don’t know sh*t about Canada, so spare me your silly claims about apocryphal totalitarianism. As for your BS claims about Germany, how about some demonstrable, verifiable facts instead of vague hazy nonspecific claims? My but I found it curious how you would ostensibly defend free speech unless someone actually disagrees with you. Hypocrisy much?

          1.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            As I suspected, when pinned down with actual questions based on reality, the liberal refuses to get off of his unicorn and simple chooses to not participate in reality. You didn’t answer a single question. I of course provided facts, not unicorn theory.

            So in Canada:
            1. In 1962, D.H Lawrence’s Lady Chatterley’s Lover faced a court in a decision to be banned in Canada.
            2. A complaint against Mark Steyn and his published book/excerpts was heard before three human rights commissions in Canada.
            3. This is not freedom of speech as we know it and that makes it “functionally less than us.” It is not a super power. The same goes for Germany which is just barely allowed to send troops anywhere. Not a super power and is only economically powerful because we rebuilt it after they tried the whole fascist thing (lack of freedom of speech) that you support and then were destroyed by people with free speech.

            Germany does not have more freedom of speech than under Nazi control? That is specific and if you doubt it, since it is widely known and accepted, the burden of proof is on you. My statement is verifiable and historically accurate.

            Hypocrisy? Because I stand up for freedom of speech and disagree with people? think you need to pull out a dictionary and well as history book, and maybe a few news articles on how Canada tries to control speech and where that ultimately leads.

            “Fetishization of absolute free speech only benefits those who would abuse it.” That is a straw man. Who says you can yell fire in a crowded theatre or make violent threats towards a person?

            You ride on unicorns and couldn’t answer a single direct question. All of your points and arguments are baseless. You cant refute anything I said.

  44. David DeBlois Avatar
    David DeBlois

    This article forced an apology? Why? Seems to me it’s a grounded, neutral and objective piece breaking down both sides of the argument and race debate between the Police and BLM. His only real criticism is directed towards those in the BLM movement that are clearly in the game to stoke racial fires and make it a violent movement. I think any rational human being should denigrate violence towards ANY other persons, as well as those that not only condone it, but also those that applaud it.

    I found this comment ironic; Smith countered with, “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

    I’m sorry, but liberal thinking has been doing that for years with conservatives. Every white person is expected to shares some element of blame for the murders in South Carolina. Realizing that extremest elements get the most coverage by our click-bait happy media is something everyone needs to learn to comprehend. And socially, we need to to stop with systemically linking their view points to the greater masses.

    The world is full of bigots, no one denies this, but this article isn’t written by one, we should always defend peoples rights to their opinions, and we should learn to engage in debate, as opposed to mud-slinging, when we come across someone with different viewpoints. We’ve become a society of that acts like petulant children anytime someone says something we don’t agree with.

    Not a fan of socialized medicine? You’re a racist.
    Pro-choice? You’re a baby murderer.
    Believe in a small federal government? You’re a tin foil wearing wing-nut.

    We need to learn how to have divisive conversations like adults…and stop giving voice to the extremist elements in our country.

    Peace.

    1. Jennifer Avatar
      Jennifer

      Yes!!! Thank you…

    2. Apple Pick Avatar
      Apple Pick

      I agree. This is a wide-spread issue. If you don’t agree with the mainstream norms, then you are outed in society.

      As a Christian, I’m called homophobic because I don’t support gay rights. Funny, because I have friends that are gay. Jesus taught me to love others, even when you don’t agree with them. When people hold up signs that say “God hates f**s,” that’s the opposite of what God would want.

      Free speech and the freedom of expression should exist in our country, but they are being killed by through the media, political correctness, and ourselves.

    3. Tom Wichita Avatar
      Tom Wichita

      “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.”

      Isn’t this the whole basis of the BLM Movement? A few cops act poorly and every cop is bad in their eyes. Seems ironic to use that defense when their whole movement is based on that simple premise.

      1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        Isn’t this the whole basis of the BLM Movement? A few cops act poorly and every cop is bad in their eyes.

        —————

        That’s because it’s not just a few cops but the system as a whole. It’s the same system that enforces and encourages the blue wall of silence. It’s not just about Darren Wilson or Daniel Pantaleo.

        1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
          Kizmet Paradigm

          You can say “the system as a whole” all day long…zero proof..zero facts.. Darren WILSON was found innocent because black senior citizen eyewitnesses backed the officers story. Thats why the black presidents black attourney general DID NOT INDICT! BLACK WITNESSES EXHONERATE OFFICER WILSON. JUSTICE DONE!

          1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “You can say “the system as a whole” all day long…zero proof..zero facts.”

            The proof is in the treatment of the ppl. White people use drugs at the same or higher rate than black people. Yet black people are more likely to get stopped and searched. In Ferguson we’ve seen reports or minority motorist being unfairly targeted when it comes to over ticketing.

            “Thats why the black presidents black attourney general DID NOT INDICT! BLACK WITNESSES EXHONERATE OFFICER WILSON. JUSTICE DONE!”

            You yourself don’t believe he’s truly innocent.

          2. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            HELL YES HES INNOCENT! Dont attack and I wont have to put a bull3et in your head. Its real simple.Your defense of the soulless satanic animal savagely attacking like a rabid dog over an innocent person doing his job speaks volumes about your lack of any morals. This is why the black community is the most fucked up self destructive segment of our population. 4% of the population commit more violent crimes then the other 96%.!!! Thats utterly insane! Who do you think the 4% is genius? Just because more black got tickets doesnt prove anything. Other then they dont obey driving laws at a higher rate. The white drug dealers in white suburbs dont have guns and arent in gangs and arent out on the street selling in high crime high drug trafficing areas. See you have zero facts and zero proof..just vague reductionist arguements based in fantasy. The black drug dealer commits a whole host of serious violent crimes and felonies the white drug dealers in the suburbs dont.so in your twisted world view its not hyper violent black war zones killing 24 blacks a day thats the problem its the cops trying to stop the killing of 24 blacks a day thats the problem?!? People that are ruled by their base emotions are the easiest people to fool in the entire world,…you been played…

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Your defense of the soulless satanic animal savagely attacking like a rabid dog over an innocent person doing his job speaks volumes about your lack of any morals. ”

            The fact you would describe MB in that way says more about you than it does me.

            “Just because more black got tickets doesnt prove anything.”

            Targeting ppl based on their race proves a lot.

            “4% of the population commit more violent crimes then the other 96%”

            Where did that number come from?

            “Other then they dont obey driving laws at a higher rate.”

            You realize many people were stopped just because and then were ticketed right?

            “The white drug dealers in white suburbs dont have guns and arent in gangs and arent out on the street selling in high crime high drug trafficing areas.”

            You can’t be in the drug game if you don’t do at least two of those things. They tend to go hand in hand. And I’m not necessarily referring to dealers but users.

            “People that are ruled by their base emotions are the easiest people to fool in the entire world,…you been played…”

            Judging by the post you’re the emotional one: typing in caps, exclamation points, insults, etc. My post made you puff your chest out. Breathe easy man it’s just the internet lol

          4. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Your pretending that you have a clue how white people think or act or live is like a 2 dimensional being trying to grasp the third dimension. Our lives and thought processes are INFINITELY MORE COMPLEX then you can imagine. The elderly african americans backed up officer wilsons story..that means he savagely attacked a cop and begged for the bullet…hes got exactly what he asked for..why are you whining like a bitch. He went out like a “real nigga”! You do know what that means right? Do you deny thug culture exists and dominates in black communities? That way of thinking is why 93% of black deaths are from anorher black but thats not a problem to the soulless forces of lawlessness like you. Cops killing blacks is less then one percent! The majority of which is completely justified. Dont attack dont try to kill dont pull a gun dont shoot dont resist…COMPLY OR DIE!

          5. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Your pretending that you have a clue how white people think or act or live is like a 2 dimensional being trying to grasp the third dimension. ”

            What statements have I made about white people outside of the statement about white drug users?

            “Our lives and thought processes are INFINITELY MORE COMPLEX then you can imagine.”

            Give me the insight that I seem to be missing.

            “why are you whining like a bitch”

            Another insult. I’m not the one whining just debating like a normal person.

            “You do know what that means right?”

            You tell me what it means.

            “Do you deny thug culture exists and dominates in black communities?”

            It exists within the black community. For some reason though outsiders looking in tend to believe that’s all there is to the community.

            ” That way of thinking is why 93% of black deaths are from anorher black but thats not a problem to the soulless forces of lawlessness like you.”

            How can you say it’s not a problem for me and ppl like me when there are so many groups and organizations geared toward black on black crime. For many yrs I spent time helping out and volunteering at the after school program at a place I used to attend. I’ve asked this before but I’ll try again. You seem to know a lot about the black community and their problems. My question is how are you helping the people in the community who need help.

          6. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Non hood white drug users and dealers are not part of a gang controlled competitive market. STOP DROP SHUT EM DOWN OPEN UP SHOP! LoL weed and pills not crack and meth. People who choose to skirt the law know what can and does happen. They arent victims when they get arrested. Your view that the black criminal is the victim when they get caught is silly. What is the ONLY larger than life role model for impressionable young black teens in inner citys? Gangsta rap..whiich is the.mosr evil illiterate mysogenistic crude handbook on how to die or go to jail. IM JUST A NIGGER FROM THE GHETTO BUT NOW IM IN THE GAME AND IM BALLING LIKE CARMELLO! EVER PULL A TRIGGER? YUP! EVER SNITCH ON A NIGGER? NOPE! My point is that 99% of black peoples problems….wait for it….AND A BITCH AINT ONE! Their problems are internal…we cant fix them. Cops save more black lives then anyone else by locking up violent gun weilding black criminals. So your solution to weaken the police only leads to higher rates of black on black killing. Baltimore is all the proof you ever need. Cops cant do their jobs …200 shootings a month..just passes detroit in homocides! Its the BLMeffect…

          7. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Youtube. 1000 black people riot at florida mall again. How many do you want?

          8. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            So all the black community is is a bunch of rioters? That seems to be the theme you’re running with.

          9. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Youtube ….Monroeville mall riot

          10. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            Ok and the point is what exactly?

          11. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            The point of the video is what exactly? Violence is bad and shouldn’t occur but what point are you trying to prove?

        2. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
          Kizmet Paradigm

          And the 93% of black on black murders have the ” NO SNITCHING” wall of silence. Cops killing blacks is less then one percent. So this is where you tell me less them one percent is greater then 93%!!!

          1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “And the 93% of black on black murders have the ” NO SNITCHING” wall of silence.”

            Sounds like it’s built on the same foundation as the blue wall.

          2. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Except one is there so we can live in a civil lawful society and the other is hellbent on destroying anything in its path and the primary cause of an unpresidented level of lawlessness and insane violence. Would you want to live or raise a family in a city with 200 shootings a month?

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Except one is there so we can live in a civil lawful society”

            Lol you think the blue wall of silence is done for that reason. It’s done to protect the officers and close ranks.

  45. SocialJusticeScientist Avatar
    SocialJusticeScientist

    Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s and you deserve to be heard. BUT, there are so many marginalized communities that have important opinions that are NEVER heard, NEVER uplifted. People are so quick to defend YOU and YOUR right to free speech, but mainstream media continues to stifle the voices of the marginalized. So, your job is to listen to people who are different than you and to uplift voices that have not been heard. Keep using your voice, but make space for voices that traditionally were never acknowledged. As an alum of an equally liberal, private, elite university, I totally get it. It feels like if you aren’t PC enough you aren’t allowed to speak. That shouldn’t be the way. I mean, if you hadn’t written this op-ed your racism would have went unchecked. Now that people are telling you what you are saying is racist, go do the work. And guess what? If at the end of the day you still believe what you wrote, then well, I guess we know who you truly are: a fateful agent of white supremacy.

    *Also, how many times does this have to be explained? RACISM = POWER + PREJUDICE
    Therefore, Black people and their movements CANNOT be racist. Racism exists to uphold white supremacy…there is no such thing as reverse racism. Jeez, I thought we all understood this.

    1. Cassandrason Avatar
      Cassandrason

      Lol. Trying to figure out if your comment is satire. If so, bravo. If not, we know who you truly are: just another fateful fool of an “elite” education system that encourages PC inanities to pass as respectable thought.

      1. North Avatar
        North

        And an illiterate one at that!

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Wow, they’ve really lowered the standards for admission at Wesleyan. There is no such thing as white supremacy – it’s a made up term that comes from the warped imaginations of black people.

      Enjoy your affirmative action education funded by white taxpayers. I’m sure you’ll have a great career at the department of motor vehicles.

    3. Hal Ginsberg Avatar

      “As an alum of an equally liberal private, elite university, I totally get it . . . if you hadn’t written this op-ed your racism WOULD HAVE WENT unchecked.” I guess they didn’t teach you the past participle of the verb to go at that elite university you attended, huh?

    4. Hal Ginsberg Avatar

      Per your syllogism (with which I largely agree) racism = power + prejudice. So, if a group of minority students, who have POWER over the funding process, together demand that a school newspaper be defunded because they personally are PREJUDICED against the message in the paper, would that be considered racism?

    5. North Avatar
      North

      Given your simply atrocious writing, it’s hard to believe you even have a high school diploma, much less an alum of an “elite university”. How sad.

  46.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    When blacks admit my life matters I will take listen to them. Until then, I couldn’t care less.

    1. Kieran Coyne Avatar
      Kieran Coyne

      Boo, you racist asshole. Get out, dude.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Why should I care about them if they don’t care about me?

  47. John George Avatar
    John George

    The loss of intellectual integrity is just stunning. At universities such as Wesleyan room for an honest exchange of ideas is slipping away. It is nothing short of an attempt (sadly an often all too successful attempt) at forced reeducation. What has happened to liberalism?

    By all means, question the logic and the conclusion with your own best logic and counterpoints if you’re so inclined, but to demand that alternative voices be silenced is a slippery and extremely dangerous slope. The fact that it is even seriously being considered by the student body and Vice President is, well, it’s depressing really.

    Robby Soave (Reason.com) summed it up quite succinctly: “There’s plenty to criticize in the op-ed, but it’s hardly “openly racist.” If agreeing with BLM about certain policy concerns but lamenting specific tactics is ipso facto racist, then there is simply no acceptably sensitive way to scrutinize BLM.”

    So….”Shut up or I’ll demand that you be silenced!!!” Is this what we’ve come to? Is this what you really want in America’s most cherished institutions of higher education?

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      “shut up or I’ll demand that you be silenced” has ALREADY been imposed on many college campuses in the form of speech codes and other politically correct restrictions.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      John George! HOW DARE YOU MAKE THIS AN “UNSAFE PLACE” for widdle me, a Special, Special Snowflake. I must now go to the fainting couch and collapse at the offense.

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Write a reply. This kid put his thoughts down on paper and signed his name. Those afraid to respond in kind are cowards and do not matter.

  48. LB Avatar
    LB

    I don’t see why everyone is blowing up over this. The author has a number of valid points, which he has posed intelligently and straightforwardly.

    Assuming that someone skeptical of BLM’s methods is ipso facto antipathic to its motives — or that either of those is in any way tantamount to racism — is facile and, frankly, stupid.

    Please go back to class and stop making yourselves look bad.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Or perhaps go back to class and (heaven forbid) LEARN something about our Bill of Rights.

      1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
        Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        Please enlighten us….

        1. Nathan Avatar
          Nathan

          Enlighten yourself…that’s what being an American is all about. You don’t have to wait on somebody else…go educate yourself and quit waiting for others to do it for you…

          1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            That’s what I gots yous for. I’m too busy selling drugs. I be a true Democrat. I let you do the work, honkey beetch!!

  49.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I thought the article was well written. I do wonder what all the yelling, screaming and threats are about.
    I would guess that some Wesleyan students do not understand what reasonable discourse actually is all about.

  50. The Mule Avatar
    The Mule

    Putting aside the external controversy surrounding this article, one of the claims made in it is patently, demonstrably false: violence against police has been decreasing over the last decade or more, and continues this year to decrease.

    So, when you ask if BLM’s activities are increasing violent attacks against police, the answer is clear and easy to determine — no, it is not. Unequivocally, no. That begs the question, then, why does anyone perceive that BLM IS increasing violence? The answer to that is far less clear, and much more interesting. It appears to be a complex interaction between culture and the media, present article included, in which this narrative is put forward as an exposition of either hypocrisy or lack of nuance at having spawned such a terrible unintended consequence. Or outright implication that increased violence against police IS the intention. Why are these narratives being presented in the complete absent of supporting evidence? How do numerous people who consider themselves journalists fail to do the most basic journalistic task — investigate the facts of the story?

    Normally, when presenting an article of this nature, the author will seek to support statements with external references. The author here is obviously familiar with the practice, having provided reference links to several other statements. However, when it comes to the main premise, there is a glaring absence of data or any other supporting external evidence. How does something like this get composed, and how does it get taken seriously? The issue of free speech is moot: of course the author should be allowed to say such things. The important question to ask is: why would he want to?

    Here’s the site with data you can see for yourself. This list is compiled by law enforcement agencies, and there are several years of archives. Click through and take a look at the past, and decide for yourself if violence against police is increasing: https://www.odmp.org/search/year

    For comparison, take a look at the data at the following site. It is not as extensive, as the archive only covers a few years, and it is not official, so it is missing data. Scroll through the past years, observing numbers, then ask the flip side: are police becoming more violent with civilians? http://killedbypolice.net/

    1. John Avatar
      John

      There is a subset of ‘those killed by police’ who would have killed police had the police not killed those people first. To the benefit of your antagonists, what you’re providing evidence for is an inverse correlation. That is, due to the very nature of these lethal encounters, we’d expect to see an uptick in one component when we see a downturn in the other.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      You actually can’t draw any conclusions in either way as the data can’t tell you whether a police officer was killed by “normal” bad guys or by someone set on revenge against the police. Also, the BLM movement is too new to start drawing statistical inferences. So you can’t say “no, it is not. Unequivocally, no.” That is an unsupportable assertion. Perhaps attacks against police would have declined even more this year without BLM. If BLM resulted in less of a decrease than would otherwise have occurred, the answer to the question he posed would be “yes, BLM has led to an increase in attacks” (over what would have been the trend). Perhaps next year or the year after, we’ll be able to draw much more confident assertions about BLM.

    3. Doug Chance Avatar
      Doug Chance

      So, I can only take issue with the promotion of violence against police officers if the promotion is working? Isn’t it just possible that I find it offensive and irresponsible, regardless of the net effect? Statistical trends certainly won’t comfort the family members of an officer killed by someone inspired by anti-cop rhetoric.

    4. flyr Avatar
      flyr

      Unfortunately your stats are wrong, attacks on police are increasing . Also police are pulling back and so the level of policing is not constant. The net result is that crimes are increasing. Black Lives Matter is making the world a more dangerous place for both police and blacks

  51. Doodoo Avatar
    Doodoo

    93% of Black murder victims are murdered by…other blacks. Just keepin’ it real and remember, Black Lives Matter!

  52. Monster Avatar
    Monster

    This is a very fair article that treats is subject with respect. It is hardly a hate piece, and the fact that some are offended or insulted by it is ridiculous.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “Not to other blacks in Chicago…”

      So all the stop the violence efforts in Chicago don’t mean anything

      1. juandos Avatar
        juandos

        So all the stop the violence efforts in Chicago don’t mean anything“…

        Apparently not in Chicago big city, its all talk and no walk…

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          The crime that occurs doesn’t take away from the countless ppl working tirelessly to change things. Would you rather they do nothing at all?

          1. juandos Avatar
            juandos

            Would you rather they do nothing at all?“…

            Absolutely I want them to stop their asinine BS – they’re making it harder for law abiding citizens purchase and use firearms…

          2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Absolutely I want them to stop their asinine BS ”

            Wait so you want ppl who are working hard to curb violence to not work toward curbing it at all? That doesn’t sound strange to you?

          3. juandos Avatar
            juandos

            Those supposedly ‘hard working” people aren’t accomplishing a damn thing – so yeah I want them to taking their whining somewhere else like one of those infanticide factories where there are some serious body counts…

          4. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Those supposedly ‘hard working” people aren’t accomplishing a damn thing”

            According to who exactly? Black ppl are the only ethnic group where their crime has to reach zero or close to it for ppl to even acknowledge they have been working for yrs to curb the violence. They will never end it completely but the lives they do save will make an impact.

            How are you helping end the violence in the black community? What groups and orgs. do you belong to?

          5. juandos Avatar
            juandos

            According to who exactly? Black ppl are the only ethnic group where their crime has to reach zero or close to it for ppl to even acknowledge they have been working for yrs to curb the violence“…

            Its dreadfully apparent that you have done exactly zero research into crimes committed with firearms…

            Is doing a little homework to big a chore for you or you don’t want to challenge your inane leftist narrative on firearms?

          6. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Its dreadfully apparent that you have done exactly zero research into crimes committed with firearms…”

            You’re the one that appears to not be aware of the work that ppl are doing within the community. Do me a favor name fifteen other groups besides BLM that combat inner city crime.

            “Is doing a little homework to big a chore for you or you don’t want to challenge your inane leftist narrative on firearms?”

            I have no problem doing that but I see you didn’t answer my question so I’ll ask it again: How are you helping end the violence in the black community? What groups and orgs. do you belong to?

          7. juandos Avatar
            juandos

            You’re the one that appears to not be aware of the work that ppl doing within the community“…

            Their wasted time & energy is not worth considering unless one is in dire need of sick humor…

            For instance: 14 shot in 15 hours in Chicago; Rahm says guns are the problem

            Why should the stupid you claim are working so hard to stop the violence be considered?

  53. Josh Avatar
    Josh

    I am so sorry that some idiots are trying to harass the author and newspaper. This is a great opinion article, whether or not I agree with it is inconsequential. This is a good article with good points, and I hope you continue to question the status quo and always push for the truth in the mountain of deceit!

  54. De'Marquise Elkins Avatar

    Google my name.
    BLACK LIVES MATTER !!!

    1. Mobetta Jenkem Avatar
      Mobetta Jenkem

      Dass da troof!

      (but defenseless white toddlers’ lives don’t really matter so much, it would seem)

      Yoo bees a hero to yo’ peepul!

  55. Jack F. Avatar
    Jack F.

    Very interesting and thoughtful piece, thank you.

  56. Major Infidel Avatar
    Major Infidel

    You can’t spell Argus without “r – a – g”.

    What a slap in the face to the principles this nation was founded upon.

    1. Lanfall Avatar
      Lanfall

      Principles this nation was founded upon? You mean like Freedom of Speech?

  57. Common sense Avatar
    Common sense

    Can’t believe how some people think. If I robbed a store then proceeded to wrestle with the officer and ended up getting shot… My parents would say “that’s what ya get you little f’n punk.” BLM would say “you shot him because you’re a racist.” This shit just blows my mind.

  58. flyr Avatar
    flyr

    It should be re labeled as

    Black LIES matter

    The real reason so many young black men die is that they are killed by other young black men or during the commission of a felony. Another major contributor to the staggering death rate among young black men is their lifestyle choices – drugs, crime, etc.

    Putting some numbers to the reality ( vs the black lies)

    The vast proportion of deaths at the hands of police occur during felony arrests . Blacks are only 13% of the population and yet are 34% of the deaths at the hands of police. Jessie Jackson and the poverty pimps are demanding justice. What they don’t want you to know is that while Blacks are only a tiny % of the population they account for about 50% of the felony arrests for the two well reported crimes murder and bank robbery. They are similarly over represented among other violent felons.

    There’s another important statistic – while blacks are 34% of those killed by police, 42% of officers who are killed in violent encounters are killed by blacks. This is really important as it documents the vastly higher number of violent arrests of blacks.

    All Americans have a stake in this violence, it is bankrupting communities, destroying families, and tearing at our national fabric.

    In this politically correct world the author’s comments are suppressed by those stealing the papers to prevent exposure to others. This is remarkably similar to the highly organized program to prevent the exposure of the public to those who believe the Global Warming theory is based on junk and corrupted science.

    Anything disparaging of black behavior is an outrage, yet nobody in the obama administration, mainstream press or black community has the courage to demand that the entertainment stop the 24/7 flow of rap and hip hop music and messages into the black community . The highly aggressive beat carries messages promoting and glorifying thuggery, unprovoked attacks, killing, drug dealing, drug using and the treatment of women as sperm dumpsters.

    There are assertions that the very high crime rate comes from the lack of opportunities and that is certainly a component. Yet the mainstream media refuses to connect the millions of uneducated illegals coming to our cities as having a catastrophic impact on entry level job opportunities for blacks. In addition in past years black communities were filled with small entrepreneurs running a vast array of business and often serving as both first employer and also mentor to young men.

    No the Black Lies Matter movement is strictly about politics , economic shakedowns and energizing Obama’s far left base. Not surprisingly studies have shown a very close correlation between precincts which had very high (0ver80%) vote for Obama and murder rates. The message is that what’s going to get you killed is not whether there are many gun owners in your neighborhood but rather whether there are a lot of obama supporters

  59.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Black lives DON’T matter when the killers are black.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “Black lives DON’T matter when the killers are black.”

      What are you basing that on?

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, anywhere else where blacks are killed by other blacks, especially gangbangers.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          What makes you think their lives don’t matter because they are killed by another black person?

  60. Pascal Avatar
    Pascal

    This debate is getting a bit heated! I’d like to offer a few civil points of discussion that all fair-minded people can agree on, no matter their race or political leanings. It’s time to inject some bipartisan sanity into this debate:

    1. It’s clear by now that the First Amendment, along with the underlying idea of ‘freedom of expression’ is just a tool created by white supremacists, and must be rejected in order to create a fair and just society. People must be protected from poisonous ideas that run counter to those principles that all fair-minded people know to create just social systems. Brian Miscarriage has abused his right to ‘free speech’ here by offering unapproved ideas. Free speech is totalitarian!

    2. As much as I hate religion, we would do well here to borrow an idea from the Roman Catholic Church. Of course they (being mostly white people) are wrong on this, but they think that when their Pope speaks ex cathedra (Latin “from the chair”) he is infallible. This is a good idea and we should apply it to marginalized groups, especially to the leaders of the BLM movement. All of their pronouncements, goals, tactics, and Twitter posts must be considered infallible. Any person, white or black (like that disgusting Uncle Tom, Richard Sherman!), who disagrees with the BLM movement must be immediately considered a heretic against infallible truth, and must be destroyed. Disagreement is terrorism.

    3. The author questions whether the BLM movement cares about the lives of police officers as much as they do about their own people. This is absurd! Of course they care about the lives of police officers, and of course the chanting about pigs frying like bacon is only cleverly worded satire aimed at dehumanizing cops, rather than being a call for actual violence. But of course we, as fair-minded, fair-thinking, justice-oriented people, should also recognize the truth that a police officer’s life, like the life of any white supremacist (even if he’s black), certainly matters, but it just doesn’t matter as much as the life of a POC. Although BLM would never endorse the murder of a police officer while pumping gas, all fair-minded, right-thinking, supremely righteous people can also recognize the overarching value when the earth is cleansed of a fat white supremacist pig. Of course police lives matter, dummy!

    4. Brian Miscarriage is right on one thing: the BLM movement needs to change it’s tactics. Here’s what I recommend if they want to be taken seriously and see significant change in American society: set up a board or a committee to identify a list of non-negotiable truths that all right-thinking, equality-oriented, justice-approving people agree with, and then set forth some policy proposals for what should happen to people who publicly issue heresies based on this committee-approved orthodoxy. Public lashing? The firing squad? Asset seizures? Work camps? Although the prospect of treating such social miscreants is pregnant with the temptation of treating it like vengeance against these devils, themselves the children of devils who enslaved African-Americans and therefore directly legally responsible for their crimes, the BLM movement is nothing if not peaceful and compassionate, and should limit the punishment of these ideological terrorists to those specifically prescribed in the policy proposals.

    5. Racism, as all fair-minded, right-thinking, justice-oriented, MSNBC-watching people know, only works one way. Black people can’t be racist because they don’t have power! Not only is this true, but I propose that we use this truth to the advantage of disadvantaged minorities. The cool thing about this view is that it allows POC to engage in nasty, cruel, malicous, dishonest, inequitable, and downright uncivilized behavior toward and about white people, because it’s not racism! This is so cool I can barely hide my excitement. The human tendency to demonize, marginalize, and hate ‘the other’ may have been rolled back a ways by 20th century equality movements, but now we can toss all that and jump right back in to demonizing the white other because, hey, our academic prophets have spoken from on high and told us it isn’t racist. Hatred of the other is a humane endeavor when it gets approval from an appropriately selected priest class.

    6. As far as this particular situation involving Brian Miscarriage’s op-ed, I think it’s pretty clear what should happen: the paper should be shut down, all copies burned in front of the library, all servers melted with phosphorus bombs, the University should issue an apology, and, starting with Brian Miscarriage and the editors of ‘The Argus’, all white students should kill themselves.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Hilarious, bravo!

  61. M.Q Avatar
    M.Q

    Support free speech.

  62. John Avatar
    John

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter

    When asked which statement is closest to their own views, 78% of Likely U.S. Voters say all lives matter. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 11% say black lives matter. Nine percent (9%) say neither statement reflects their point of view.

    Thirty-one percent (31%) of black voters say black lives matter is closest to their own views, but just nine percent (9%) of whites and 10% of other minority voters agree. Eighty-one percent (81%) of whites and 76% of other minority voters opt instead for all lives matter, and 64% of blacks agree.

    1. Pascal Avatar
      Pascal

      B-b-but, how can I assuage my crushing white guilt by listening to MINORITY VOICES, when those minority voices don’t agree on the BLM movement itself?

      1. John Avatar
        John

        Obvious: we need “emotional trauma centers” inside every “safe space.” Look, we don’t have to re-invent the wheel. Other groups, like Scientology, faced similar obstacles and yet they managed to survive. We can learn from them.

        Hugs,

  63.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I expected a lot more fire and brimstone. I have heard more decisive language on NPR. How many of the signators on the petition to de-fund the Argus actually read this? All Mr. Stascavage is saying #BLM has an image problem, and it needs to police itself if it wants to become relevant in the mainstream. It is something we learned at The Gay Mens Health Crisis. Be angry not violent.

  64. John Avatar
    John

    People who are scared or offended by this article are nothing but whining babies. You are victims of your own movement. Someone asks some serious, honest questions and the second it doesn’t fit in with your liberal PC narrative, you start whining.

    Shame on you. You’re parents (or you yourself) are wasting your college education dollars.

  65. NoNonsense Avatar
    NoNonsense

    What an excellent, articulate, well-thought-out op-ed. Bravo to Mr. Stascavage. And to all those who have signed the petition demanding that funding for the newspaper be cut in retaliation for this op-ed? Grow up! Do you think only those who agree with you are entitled to their opinion? Is THIS what our colleges and universities are instilling in today’s young people? For shame!

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Only at Wesleyan Community College and other liberal indoctrination gulags.

  66.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I would like to see a video, “10 hours walking at Wesleyan University as a
    white male”. End SJW catcalling college campus Harassment. Like the
    video of the woman in NYC. All you need is a friend with a GoPro camera.

  67. Andrei Avatar
    Andrei

    Kim Davis is not “misguided”. Saying Kim Davis was misguided is like saying the people who continued to fight for gay marriage was misguided. She stood up for what she felt was right and I respect her for that. No one should kowtow to laws/authority if they think it’s wrong. If gays rolled over they would have never gotten their unconstitutional win.

    Fact is the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage was unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution about marriage hence it left for the States to decide and if you knew any facts Gays Marriage has NEVER won by referendum and a recent poll had 61% opposing the Supreme Court imposing Gay Marriage on the States, but we don’t live in country that follows the Constitution or the rule of law. The fact is gay marriage “won” because Obama was able to get two nominees who would vote for the issues he supports. Lets not forgert the ruling was 5-4 with 2 votes coming from the two nominees. I have no doubt if gay marriage was broght to the courts lets say in the 90s, it would have lost.

    She may have had a small crowd, but so did the gay response to Chick-Fil-A day some years back when Chick-Fil-A got HUGE support for supporting traditional marriage while the counter gay protest where gays kissed at Chick-Fil-A stores had a small crowd.

  68. Andrei Avatar
    Andrei

    Another issue I have with your article is about the hero worship of the police. Sure it’s wrong for the BLM to call for violence against the police, but the police are not saints or heroes. They are government enforcers nothing more, nothing less.

    An officer I talked to put it succinctly: “If they want to come after
    me, fine. Just come at me head on. Don’t shoot me in the back of my
    head. I’d rather go down with a fighting chance.”

    I find that quote funny and offensive considering the police don’t give citizens a “fighting chance”. A citizen is at the mercy of bad cops because even if the cop is acting unlawfully, to defend oneself is a death sentence.

    Bryan needs to understand that cops exist to serve and protect the government, enforce it’s laws and maintain order. That’s it. Courts have ruled multiple times that cops have no duty to protect individuals. cops are not our personal bodyguards. Cops are for the most part after the fact. Cops rarely prevent crimes from happening. The national average unsolved murders is 33% , but in several states it’s near and around 50%. When it comes to Robbery,Larceny and Burglary the national average of unsolved crimes is around 80%..that is pathetic by any definition..for Forcible S-exaull Assault the unsolved rate is about 60%. Point is cops aren’t superheros who swoop in a save the day. Typically they show up AFTER the crime has happened.

    1. CissyScum Avatar
      CissyScum

      They’re a clean-up crew with guns and squad cars.

      Remember, when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

    2. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      Police, as a group, are saints. And to a man they’re heroes. Walk a minute in their shoes.
      As trite as it is, they go to work each day knowing that there are people out there wanting them dead. Their job is to make it safer for me by confronting the people that want to take my iPhone.
      Now, you want them to be superheroes and solve every crime that they can’t prevent in the first place. Why is the unsolved rate so high? NPR claims that 1) standards are so much higher to charge (clear) a murder. Everyone might _know_ who did it, but the jury expects CSI conclusive proof and 2) witnesses don’t come forward.
      And Cops do prevent crimes from happening – whenever they arrest a murderer they stop him from murdering again. And frankly, in Michael Brown’s case, they’ve stopped all of the other strong armed robberies he would have committed.
      I’ll take a cop as a hero over any other career. Ok maybe cops and the drive thru lady who gets my order right.

    3. barnburner Avatar
      barnburner

      Ah yes, the same old communist playbook invented a century ago: the police are the protectors of the evil capitalist system and, therefore, are the enemy. Same stuff, different century. Ideologically lazy then, same now.

  69.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    This piece is sloppy, unfair, and wholly reliant upon the errant assumptions and biases of its author. Stascavage decries the tarring and feathering of whole groups of people – and then does exactly that with the Black Lives Matter movement. Citing a single verifiable incident, he extrapolates that the movement is responsible for increased violence against police. However, empirical evidence is at odds with Stascavage’s perception as violence against police is actually DOWN some 25%. No mention is made of this. Absent any evidence to support his thesis, Stascavage indulges his fears, fantasies, and peddles in perceptions of reflections of shadows of rumors that somehow BLM is to blame for all of these nebulous fears. An opinion piece written by a staff writer should not be absolved of the journalist’s basic obligation to be factual simply because it is opinion. Stascavage’s meandering screed sheds absolutely no new light on the BLM movement or the degree to which it is – or is not – problematic, but Stascavage does give way to his ill informed opinions about the movement and his broad assumptions as to it effects and consequences. At best, this is sloppy and unrepresentative of professional journalistic standards. At its worst it is fear driven and grossly prejudicial.

    1. NoNonsense Avatar
      NoNonsense

      Did you read the same piece I did?

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I read Strascavage’s op ed above. I don’t know what you read.

        1. NoNonsense Avatar
          NoNonsense

          Well, that’s the one I read. I guess we just read it differently. Your description makes no sense to me.

          1.  Avatar
            Anonymous

            I can live with that.

    2. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      Almost like it’s an opinion piece at a college. Or a reply in a forum. Violence against police is not down some 25%. There were more police deaths last year than the year before BLM. If someone chanted “kill the cops” then, in my opinion, they are responsible for EVERY cop killed.
      Do us all a favor and outline what BLM wants and what help do they want to get it. Stop whining about how horrible everything is an do something about it. Critiquing an op/ed saying Mr. Stascavage is wrong about what BLM is, without offering your enlightened view of what it is, is a complete waste of time.

      1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        “Do us all a favor and outline what BLM wants”

        http://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/

        “what help do they want to get it.”

        You can help in many ways from protesting to speaking to writing on the link I posted to give them feedback on what works and what doesn’t.

        ” Stop whining about how horrible everything is an do something about it.”

        That’s what BLM is trying to do but to be honest some ppl don’t want things to change. They want to go back to a time when these shootings would happen. There would be outrage for a couple of weeks and then no one cares.

  70. Scott Diamond Avatar
    Scott Diamond

    I can’t believe the “media” is calling this HERO’S article “controversial”! They must have read something else….

    1. NoNonsense Avatar
      NoNonsense

      Reading comprehension and critical thinking are in such short supply. In colleges and in the media.

  71. BuckOfama Avatar
    BuckOfama

    The writer of the article is too kind to BLM. I think they are a venal, opportunistic bunch of race hustlers and agitators. Some are in it for the $$$, some for the “glory” and some both. They are a bunch of junior Al Sharptons, always on the hustle, and BlackLivesMatter only when they are politically exploitable.

  72. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
    Kizmet Paradigm

    BlM is directlly responsible for the nationwide and growing epidemic of black on black murder as criminals are emboldened and police are scared. Baltimore proves this fact as they pull ahead of detroit in homicides! Thanks BLM! No cop wants their lives destroyed for doing their job and no city wants to be burned down over some career criminal attacking a cop forcing him to defend himself.BLM is directly responsible for the deaths of humdreds of blacks right now. How much black blood do you need to see running down the streets due to your terrorist assault on law and order to realize your only making things exponentially worse for black people?

    1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
      Kizmet Paradigm

      So your telling me that when police cant do their jobs more black people die? Its almost as if your saying there is no greater group of people in the entire country that existentially NEEDS the police than the black community? So when police lock up violent black criminals it keeps them from killing more black people? Hmm…so the problem is the hundreds of hyper violent black dominated inner city war zones that kill blacks 94% of the time and not the cops tasked with maintaining law and order in these inner city black warzones that kill blacks less then one percent of the time thats the problem? Hmm something to think,about…so 94% is MORE than less then one percent? So why are they only focusing on the less then one percent and totally ignoring the 94%? Sounds like a recipe for never ending bloodshed. Hmmm

    2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “BlM is directlly responsible for the nationwide and growing epidemic of black on black murder as criminals are emboldened and police are scared.”

      No that’s based on police taking a hands off approach when it comes to policing.

      1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
        Kizmet Paradigm

        No its called black mob rule where every arrest of a black on the streets get a hundred screaming blacks aurrounding and theeatening them. So they need at least 3 backups for any arrest. Lawlessness and anarchy nationwide….which leads to….wait for it…….more dead black people killed by other blacks. Thats the epidemic! Congrats! Success! Cops killing blacks is less then 1%…black on black 93% …is one percent greater the 93%?

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          “No its called black mob rule where every arrest of a black on the streets get a hundred screaming blacks aurrounding and theeatening them.”

          That’s not true. If it was every black person that was arressted there would be 24/7 coverage daily.

          “Lawlessness and anarchy nationwide.”

          Is that what you believe or is that a fact?

          “more dead black people killed by other blacks.”

          Those killers end up in jail do they not. Does the same happen when an officer an unjustified shooting takes place?

          1. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            How many videos of black mobs attacking cops do you need? Violent black crime that was.already 500% greater then anyone else is skyrocketing even higher..what dont you understand?

          2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “How many videos of black mobs attacking cops do you need?”

            You say that as if it’s a common occurrence? A number of the acts committed against police have been done by individuals not necessarily a group of ppl. Now you may point to the riots that occurred in the past yr but even them how many police specifically were injured and hurt in those riots. I’m looking for a specific number.

          3. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            4% commit more violent crimes then 96%….look it up. Since 1980 a study found exactly that ugly truth. Black violent crime is astronomically higher then any other group. But in your world there is no greater victim in the entire world then the black criminal. You dont even think black criminals should go to jail! They are the real victims to you! You represent the forces of lawlessness and Im here to tell you we are sick of it.

          4. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “4% commit more violent crimes then 96%….look it up.”

            You provided the stats shouldn’t you provide the evidence as well.

            “Black violent crime is astronomically higher then any other group.”

            You realize black crime has been trending downward for the last several yrs right?

            “But in your world there is no greater victim in the entire world then the black criminal.”

            Do you have the quote where I said this?

            “You dont even think black criminals should go to jail!”

            The point is black criminals end up in jail. There is a difference in my mind with someone who is a killer and dies by police vs someone like Crawford, Boyd, and others.

          5. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            The reason black crime has been declining is because they are locking up violent criminals. But you view black people in jail as the problem…a racist problem. Cops arent the enemy..violent criminals are.

          6. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “The reason black crime has been declining is because they are locking up violent criminals.”

            That’s not the only reason.

            “But you view black people in jail as the problem…a racist problem.”

            If ppl are unfairly targeted because of their race then yes it is a racist problem.

          7. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Google black mob riot

          8. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            Give me a number. You have obviously researched this extensively.

          9. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Local news has to report on black mob violence but if national news doest pick it up its invisible. Youtube has hundreds of local news reports on it…

          10. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            How could it be invisible we live in the age of social media. Do you realize how many stories blew up after ppl online made it an issue. If you feel it’s overlooked use the power you have to bring light to the situation.

          11. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Black mobs in the hundreds are rampaging nationwide…100% FACT

          12. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            Why isn’t there daily coverage of this occurring? If this is indeed happening nationwide wouldn’t there be daily riots?

          13. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Its an every day occurance accross the entire country. Black mob riots have shut down dozens of malls and state fairs and festivals and on and on and on….all the time!

          14. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Its an every day occurance accross the entire country.”

            Where is the coverage?

            “Black mob riots have shut down dozens of malls and state fairs and festivals and on and on and on….all the time!”

            That’s not a riot that is a protest. I understand your need to group it under one category but they are not the same.

          15. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Youtube BEAT WHITEY NIGHT WISCONSIN STATE FAIR.

          16. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            Again that is an unfortunate and hideous act. Still don’t understand it being connected to a protest or march.

          17. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Just the other day …Wilmington deleware black guy shoots and kills another black guy cops show up and mob of 400-500 blacks attack cops.. Why do they do that?

          18. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “mob of 400-500 blacks attack cops”

            Can you provide the links to the story? I want to read what happened

          19. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Black mobs in the hundreds are rampaging nationwide…100% FACT

          20. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            DONT SNITCH! The black on black killer does not go to jail becausr he is the most cherished, respected and protected member of the black community. This is number 1 in the list of 100 ways that the black community is the most pathologically messed up…

          21. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “The black on black killer does not go to jail”

            So where does he go exactly? A person who is black has a better chance of ending up in jail than a cop who kills a black person.

            “This is number 1 in the list of 100 ways that the black community is the most pathologically messed up…”

            What are you doing to correct the problems within the black community?

          22. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            Thats because the vast majority of the time the police was defending himself from a violent black attacker. 4% commit more violent crimes then the other 96%. Who is that 4%? You see black as automatically the innocent victim and reality says “ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?” He has a better chance of ending up in jail because of what he chooses to do not because hes black! You live in the simple minded world of a child.

          23. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “You see black as automatically the innocent victim”

            When did I say that?

            “He has a better chance of ending up in jail because of what he chooses to do not because hes black!”

            You’re not aware of how this whole thing works huh.

            “You live in the simple minded world of a child.”

            And we end it off with an insult. So much anger in this replies. Breathe man it’s not life or death. I see you avoided my question so I’ll ask again: What are you doing to correct the problems within the black community?

          24. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            You have zero facts and you automatically defend (insert black here) and assume the absolute worst of the police with zero facts. Judge jury and executioner.

          25. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “You have zero facts ”

            I’m still waiting for the facts you dished out in various replies.

            “assume the absolute worst of the police with zero facts.”

            It depends on the situation. There have been shootings I felt were held properly.

            One more thing since you didn’t answer again: What are you doing to correct the problems within the black community?

          26. Kizmet Paradigm Avatar
            Kizmet Paradigm

            You think brown was the innocent vixtim and 6 black senior citizens disagree. Black president obama sent black attorney eric holder to ferguson and a federal investigation did not indict and you refuse to accept that truth. Your a cop hater and believe the false narative that blacks are constant victims of white cop harassment when its usually “Police receive a call.” And shit goes down when they show up. Not innocent black people skipping down thestreet and cops just attacking them but “Hey we need help! Cops save black lives every day.

          27. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “You think brown was the innocent vixtim and 6 black senior citizens disagree.”

            What about the black ppl that didn’t agree? Do their voices count or not?

            “Your a cop hater”

            If I was a cop hater that would reflect my posts. Find where I say I hate cops.

            “believe the false narative that blacks are constant victims of white cop harassment when its usually ”

            It depends on the situation there are instances where officers not so much look for trouble but engage in situations where things can escalate. But there are instances where they engage dangerous situations and have to handle them accordingly.

            “Cops save black lives every day.”

            And what are you doing to save black lives?

  73.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Thanks for this article, BLACK LIVES MATTER & NAACP ARE RACIST HATE GROUPS! HOW CAN ANYONE SUPPORT GROUPS THAT TEACHES RACISM, HATE, AND TO KILL? ALL LIVES MATTER, DOES NOT MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU CALL YOURSELF! TRY A GROUP THAT TEACHES MORAL VALUES!

  74. Grasshopper Avatar
    Grasshopper

    Truth hurts, I guess. Bryan hits the nail on the head with this article and all the naysayers can do is ask for pictures to make sure supporters who identify as black – are black?

    You do realize that when you can’t make substantive arguments against the article but instead move to insult or discredit people who agree with it – that you’ve lost the argument?

  75. MJ Avatar
    MJ

    The only mistake he made was being a white American and criticizing anything supported by black Americans. Otherwise, spot on.

  76. D Hetrick Avatar
    D Hetrick

    A decentralized, disorganized movement that uses violence and death to make its point and work its agenda? Sure sounds like a terrorist organization to me

  77. Hari Thiagarajan Avatar
    Hari Thiagarajan

    This is such a fine article. Kudos to this kid.

  78. James Mariani Avatar
    James Mariani

    Bryan this was a well written article that deserves to be told despite many people having a hard time with it. Some people are just so mentally isolated and narrow minded that they are unable to comprehend certain facts. This article demonstrates that. There is no need for you or the staff to apologize for publishing this article.

    1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
      Abdul Keddou

      Agreed…if anything, he was too easy on the cop-hating racist thugs of BLM and the cowardly, guilt-ridden white liberals who support them.

  79. chop chop Avatar
    chop chop

    to all the activist trying to shut the paper down:

    extra pickles hold the onions.

    which is what i will be saying to you at mcdonald’s after you can’t get a good job because you have a problem working with those who have differences from you.

  80. Marcus Anthony Avatar
    Marcus Anthony

    Black lies matter is a George Soros communist funded hate group. If black lives really matter they would target the real enemy to black lives, planned preditors. They have killed more black babies then any confederate flag, policeman or white person. It’s the truth. But people don’t want the truth. Lies, lies, lies. Keep telling us lies. That’s what the race baiters do. Keep telling lies. The lame stream media too. If black lies matter can exercise their freedom to spew hate, this United States Veteran who is a college student reporter, can also. Defund the paper? Diversity training? Lol. I think black lies matter needs diversity training. I read this courageous veteran’s article and it’s not even close to the communist liberal lies and hate black lies spews. There only around because George Soros pays them to cause civil arrest. That group needs to be rounded up and arrested and charged with hate crimes. Rico statues. Hello, so we have a Attorney general in the house with courage like this veteran has? Great article and thank you for serving our country and thank you for being truthfull. Amen.

    1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
      Abdul Keddou

      Great point. The man-hating lesbian butchers at Planned Murderhood kill a MUCH higher % of black infants than they do white or other race infants.

  81. Allan Avatar
    Allan

    There is but one inaccuracy in this piece. Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk is not a Conservative, she is in fact a democrat. The MSM seems to have worked very hard, and ultimately very effectively, at burying this fact. The Editors in Chief are cowards and do not deserve to fill the role they have. They caved to the pressure of an uncomfortable situation.

  82. Hawg Jaw Avatar
    Hawg Jaw

    I do beleeve its time for Amos N Andy show…hmm der Kingfish u b rite

  83. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    BLM will be destroyed if they keep their crap up. They best stay in the inner cities. They’ll be put down quickly out here in the country.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      So you’re advocating for more violence.

  84.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    When my (4-greats) grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War, there were no Irish/Italian Catholics, no Jews, no Asians, no Hispanics but there were African Americans. African Americans fought, sacrificed and died for our Democracy for which many people immigrated to their country to enjoy. Those too fragile for our Democracy, should return to the country from which their people emigrated. Bon Voyage!

    Do racists, cowards, murderers and liars become policemen or do policemen become racists, cowards, murderers and liars?

    A disproportionate number of citizens murdered by policemen are African Americans. A disproportionate number of policemen murdering African Americans are Irish/Italian Catholics. Darren Wilson, an Irish Catholic from a dysfunctional home, and NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo, an Italian Catholic and now another Irish Catholic, Mary O’Callaghan are cowards, racists and murderers and the DAs Daniel Donovan and Robert McCulloch protectors of cowards, racists and murders. Judge John O’Donnell’s egregious acquittal is racists. These Catholics are inimical to our Democracy, our values and our credibility.

    No African American should be compelled to instruct their children on how to avoid being killed by those insidious ingrates who are in their country enjoying our Democracy for which they have sacrificed so much.

    During the Civil War, Irish Catholics instigated the New York City Draft Riots of 1863 because they did not want to fight in the Civil War, during which time many African Americans were killed.

    Racism and ignorance are synonymous. There is not shortage of either in America

    1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
      Abdul Keddou

      You are an anti-Catholic bigot (I’m NOT Catholic) and ignore the fact that the reason a disproportionate number of black folks get killed by cops is because a disproportionate number commit violet crimes that get them shot by cops. More often that not, an “unarmed” black man like Michael Brown tries to take a cop’s gun and thereby forfeits their “unarmed” status. That thug brought his own death upon himself and the world is a better place without him and other thugs justifiably shot by cops (that does NOT include the black motorist in SC that was shot n the back while running from a racist cop).

    2. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      Ignorance.
      Dillon’s regiment of more than 500 Irish fought to gain control of Savannah, and nine of Washington’s generals were born in Ireland. Irish and Italian Catholics made up a disproportionate share of the Continental army itself, and there certainly were Jewish soldiers and officers. And of course Spain was important in our victory.
      You must have forgotten that Darren Wilson, however he grew up, was attacked by Michael Brown and shot him as Mr. Brown attacked him three times.
      On the positive side, I’m glad you’re taking some credit for this country. Maybe then you won’t want it burned down.

  85. Norman Avatar
    Norman

    Great article, but the part about Kim Davis being a conservative is incorrect. According to the Washington Post she is a registered Democrat.

    1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
      Abdul Keddou

      Glad to know that even some liberals don’t recognize the twisted concept of homosexual marriage. The anal cavity is NOT a sexual organ and most homosexuals were not “born” that way, but were molested as children.

  86. Steve Mojiro Avatar
    Steve Mojiro

    This is the best article I have ever read on this matter. I only hope more people read this and really read the meaning not just jump on the offended side because of it bringing into question the heart of the story. Good luck to you, The author.

  87.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    The only error in this article that I see are the references to Kim Davis as a “conservative” – she is actually an elected Democrat…

  88. Eric Johnson Avatar
    Eric Johnson

    The, so-called “Black Lives Movement” is nothing but another sad attempt to reshape, conceal, and deny the continuing failures of the Black community, and continue to still place the blame at the feet of White America…yet again! We’ve, seen this “B Movie” before, and we already know how it ends. Blacks, will as per usual “protest, burn, and loot…oh and of course March, and March, and March!”…until they get more “undeserving federal handouts”. And, then go right back to sleep, as usual yet again content, happy, and taken care of! They, attempt to play the very same pathetic game by as per usual “playing the role of the victim”, with the hope of making White American feeling guilty once more. But, this time the game is all too well known, and naturally the strategies being employed aren’t new, nor even original! But, what Black people fail to realize is that they continue to be the “root cause” of their own problems/issues, but remain in their pathetic world of complete, and utter “SELF DENIAL”! That, only continues to show how Black people “my people” haven’t yet grown collectively, nor individuality as a people as it relates to “growth and development” or being able to develop a viable strategy that makes sense. Very, sad, pathetic…but unfortunately true! If, Black Lives really wants to change the system…as they claim, then “STOP KILLING YOURSELVES” in such “alarming numbers”! Just, last week in Chicago…just to name one all too well know locations. There was “33” shootings, “49” victims, and “8” murders! All at the hands of “you got it” Black people! Where’s, the outrage? Who are the victims? Is, the so-called “Black Lives Movement” marching to remember those slain black people? Why hasn’t this fake, racist movement spoken a “single word” about this ongoing, out-of -control
    Black on Black crime…that never stops! But, I can assure you that if these Black people were killed by white cops, then the social media would be literally on FIRE! But, when we as a people kill each other…well it just “business as usual”! Black Lives Matter? Get real! In this continuing saga only, “Black Lies Matter”!

    1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
      Abdul Keddou

      Great post amigo.

    2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “Where’s, the outrage? ”

      The outrage is right there with the various groups and orgs. fighting to end the violence in Chicago.

      ” Is, the so-called “Black Lives Movement” marching to remember those slain black people?”

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the activists in Chicago have marched or are marching.

  89. Abdul Keddou Avatar
    Abdul Keddou

    “Black Lives Matter” is a group of cop-hating racist thugs and the way they intimidated leftist US Senator Bernie Sanders to cravenly give up the stage when they thuggishly took it over shows they have NO respect for limp-wristed, guilt-driven liberals like Weenie Sanders. These anarchist thugs ignore black-on-black murder and only get upset when a black thug/criminal like Michael Brown gets justifiably shot by a cop.

    Here’s a great video soundbite from black NFL superstar RIchard Sherman calling out the BLM clowns for ignoring black-on-black crime: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/09/17/seahawks-richard-sherman-if-black-lives-matter-stop-black-on-black-crime/

  90.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I always love the groups who demand freedom of speech…until someone uses it in a manner they don’t like. Then out come the petitions, the race cards, and the demands that those freedoms of speech be taken away from those they don’t agree with.

    I really hate hypocrites.

  91. Abdul Keddou Avatar
    Abdul Keddou

    “Black Lives Matter” is merely the inevitable product of the climate of racial division established since January 2009, when Obama became Divider-in-Chief. Obama, with the help of his racist buddies Eric Holder and Al Sharpton has created a climate of racial hostility worse than anything this country has seen since the pre-Civil Rights days in the early 1960s. Hopefully the racial climate will improve once the Racebaiter-in-Chief leaves the White House.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      You’re someone who believes racial tension coincides with Obama being in office yet not realizing it’s always a division but many ppl never cared to pay attention to it.

  92.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    This is the type of conversation that needs to be taking place on college campuses. I disagree with some of this but it appears to be a well thought out, well written piece. We need to talk about these issues! How can we figure these problems out if we don’t honestly share our opinions?

  93.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    “Black lives matter” thugs don’t like having their own racism and violent behavior questioned. Good for SGT. Stascavage. People need to speak out against these malfeasants.

  94. dustoffdax Avatar
    dustoffdax

    Great article about a tough topic. If it gets people talking instead of accusing, mission accomplished.

  95. Bearman Avatar
    Bearman

    Thank you Bryan for the service you committed to this great country for the protection of our freedom and liberty. Thank you for your level and clear thinking article on this “Black Live Matter subject”.

  96. Canasian217 Avatar
    Canasian217

    I do realize that there are Black Lives Matter activists who in the group for the right reasons and the police have some, just some, that are racist. I disagree that African Americans are discriminated against nationally as some believe. It’s true that for every 1 white arrests they’re 3 black arrests, but they forget to add the fact they also committed a crime and many people don’t realize that. To Black Lives Matter group in particular I believe the leaders know what they are causing to racial tensions. In a tweet the co leader of the movement said the group was inspired by a convicted cop killer. There are racist officers but people don’t deserve the right to destroy cities and countless lives.

  97. tennstrike Avatar
    tennstrike

    This seems an incredibly balanced, thoughtful and well-written article. Where is the controversy? It is an opinion article but not particularly slanted. I will read more and see what the negative reaction is all about.

  98. neckfat Avatar
    neckfat

    This is the article that got a front page Apology?? The world is going to be a little bumpy for you babies…

  99. Charlene Burbett Avatar
    Charlene Burbett

    How is this openly racist? It’s a very well thought, well written article. I can’t believe BLM made demands and am shocked they’re being met. People need to stop being scared to speak their minds. Of course everyone isn’t going to agree on everything and I wouldn’t want it that way. So being so butt hurt over anything related to race, please, for the love of God.

  100. Amy Robertson Avatar
    Amy Robertson

    Wonderful article!!!!!! Perhaps you can educate some of you fellow college students to stop being followers and actually form their own opinion. God bless you Bryan for having the courage to say what desperately needs to be said!!!!

  101.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Source https://www.odmp.org/

    Ok, let me try to look at this article objectively. I will start with one of the first claims of the writer “Police officers are looking over their shoulders as several cops have been targeted and gunned down. The week before classes started, seven officers were killed in the line of duty; a few were execution-style targeted killings.”

    The article is trying to, passively, put blame on the BLM movement for the supposed targeting and killing of cops.

    The “several cops have been targeted and gunned down.” doesn’t have a specific time range, so let’s assume since the BLM movement started. The other part specifies a week, specifically August 20th through the 27th 2015.

    Here is the names and cause of deaths of each officer during that specified seven days:

    1- Detention Officer Tronoski Jones, End of Watch: Thursday, August 20, 2015, suffered a fatal heart attack while attempting to deal with a combative inmate at the Baker Street Jail shortly after 4:00 am.

    2- Senior Trooper Steven Vincent, End of Watch: Monday, August 24, 2015, shot and killed while checking on a vehicle that was being operated by a suspected intoxicated driver near the intersection of Highway 14 and Fruge Road, near Bell City.

    3- SergeantvPeggy Vassallo, End of Watch: Monday, August 24, 2015, struck and killed by a vehicle while rendering aid to another driver after being involved in an accident shortly before 8:00 am.

    4- Police Officer Henry Nelson, End of Watch: Wednesday, August 26, 2015, shot and killed at approximately 3:00 pm while responding to a domestic disturbance call where three women had been stabbed by a male subject at a home on Anna Street in Sunset.

    5- Trooper James Matthew Bava, End of Watch: Friday, August 28, 2015, killed in a single vehicle crash at the intersection of Highway FF and County Road 977, in Audrain County, shortly before 8:30 am.

    6- Trooper Chad H. Wolf, End of Watch: Friday, August 28, 2015, killed when his motorcycle was struck by a vehicle.

    7- Deputy Sheriff Darren H. Goforth, End of Watch: Friday, August 28, 2015, shot and killed from ambush while pumping gas into his patrol car at a commercial gas station at the intersection of West and Telge Roads, in Cypress.

    The writer says “a few were execution-style targeted killings.” Assuming he meant a few during the seven day period, since it is in the same sentence, rather than since the beginning of the BLM movement, we can say the following: Killing number 7 was execution style, and maybe number 2.

    Was BLM to blame for any of these seven killings? Number 7 could be attributed to BLM. Could number 2 also be attributed to BLM? Was Kevin Daigle a BLM sympathizer? Can any other killing be attributed to BLM during this seven day period?

    How many exactly is a few?

    Now, let’s look at when the BLM movement started. Let’s say it started in July 2013, after George Zimmerman was acquitted, according to Wikipedia…

    Here is the officers killed in the line of duty list per month

    2013 July: 7

    2013 August: 9

    2013 September: 12

    2013 October: 8

    2013 November: 7

    2013 December: 14

    2014 January: 15

    2014 February: 4

    2014 March: 16

    2014 April: 11

    2014 May: 18

    2014 June: 6

    2014 July: 7

    2014 August: 7

    2014 September: 12

    2014 October: 13

    2014 November: 12

    2014 December: 12

    2015 January: 14

    2015 February: 2

    2015 March: 16

    2015 April: 6

    2015 May: 17

    2015 June: 9

    2015 July: 5

    2015 August: 14

    2015 September: 12

    I suggest you graph the data and see the trend for yourself.

    Another available statistic is to look at officers killed by gunfire:

    2013: 31

    2014: 47

    2015 (so far): 27

    Next would be to look at each year’s gunfire deaths, and see which one could be attributed to BLM…

    To be continued, if anybody reads this…

  102. Lance Manion Avatar
    Lance Manion

    I read on FOX that this article contained inaccuracies and had caused some students to feel unsafe due to it’s heavy racial overtones. While I did not agree with some of the writer’s views I found a mostly thoughtful piece that asked a lot of necessary questions and pointed out some inconvenient truths.

    To the 172 students out of 2000+ that signed some petition I have only this to say: Lighten up Francis.

  103. Antoine Turnbolt Avatar
    Antoine Turnbolt

    Well said. Know that the vast majority of Americans agree with you, they’re just not willing to endure the backlash you’re receiving to speak up themselves.

  104. CC Avatar
    CC

    Well written article, Bryan. Thank you for having the guts to express your opinion. I think anyone who has read your article would agree that you are NOT a racist but rather are trying to question the tactics of the BLM movement who are in my opinion only promote division and destruction in our country. All live should matter not skin color.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “All live should matter not skin color.”

      Our society has made it so skin color does matter. BLM didn’t create the rules.

  105. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    Bryan, nice work, but you miss some keys points. First off, everyone is against police brutality due to race. Second, BLM is not a group anyone should support as they push hate. Additional evidence-

    I researched this group and they are linked to Assata Shakur, famous for a 1970s murder of an officer. She escaped prison and is in exile in Cuba. Simple googling confirms she is glorified by BLM leaders and followers. It is confirmed by their words, pamphlets, videos and shirts. One of the their slogans is “Assata taught me”. It is very disappointing to see young people wherein go shirts with that language at BLM events. Note that Assata supports are not about making her free or claiming she is not guilty. She is praised for what she did.

    I simple Wikipedia search about the group confirms they started based on events in the Martin and Ferguson cases. As an examiner of both cases, neither had anything to do with race. Martin was killed when a multi raced Zimmerman shot him while being assaulted. Anyone can watch the trial and research the tragic event. While everyone knows of the non guilty verdict, few seem to know that race was never mentioned. Race played no role. People seem to know more about Ferguson. A grand jury and the DOJ confirmed it was a tragic but justifiable killing. But again, race played zero role. So BLM is started based on these two cases that had nothing to do with race. But what did they have in common – publicity, media attention. The genesis of a hate group, in my opinion.

    Third point-BLM own language confirms they do not care about the main causes of death for blacks (black on black murder) or other non accidental of blacks. Do they really care.

    I did the research and the evidence clearly showed overwelming evidence of hate. The chants (multiple), posters, shirts, Assata (who communicates with group), +++

    Jeff

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “Third point-BLM own language confirms they do not care about the main causes of death for blacks (black on black murder) or other non accidental of blacks.”

      What makes you think they don’t care? They are many groups under the BLM banner that address different issues.

      “Do they really care.”

      Do you yourself really care?

  106.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Black Lives Matter is a movement which lives under the guise of racism. It isn’t reverse racism as some claim, it is the definition of racism. They need to rename their group “ONLY Black Lives Matter”. That would apply to every protest and argument they make.

  107. Adjestil01 Avatar
    Adjestil01

    Black lives matter activists have some good points and some ridiculous points that are not based on any empirical evidence. What is even more absurd is the obvious political support by the Black community for the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party promises more freebies, more government, bigger government, and delivers on these promises. With a bigger government resembling a Leviathan there comes the nasty residue that always accompanies governments, and that is force. The more government/bureaucracy that exists, the less freedom and liberty you will have. It is rather a simple formula. You get what you vote for.

  108.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    My question to BLM is why do they only matter if and when a black person committing a crime or an innocent black person is killed justifiably or unjustifiably by a white police officer? Chicago has become a war zone, with more black people being killed than soldiers in Afghanistan, but their lives don’t seem to matter and BLM, Sharpton, Farrakhan and Jackson say nothing about it……WHY? because they’re black criminals killing other black criminals and innocents who are caught in the middle. This FACT isn’t PC, so they ignore it. The hypocrisy on this reality stinks to high heaven.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      the BLM movement is mostly about black people, often unarmed, being killed at a much higher rate by police officers in as much as the pro-life movement is not about victims of drunk drivers or kids dying from preventable diseases, or soldiers dying in wars….

      1. Buck Avatar
        Buck

        Not at all a good analogy since the number of unarmed black people who are killed by police officers (63) is dwarfed by the number of black people killed by other black people (2,943), while the number of abortions (730,322) is much larger than the victims of drunk drivers (140), or soldiers dying in wars (40). Kids dying from preventable diseases depends a whole lot on what you call a kid and what you mean by preventable. If we’re just talking immunizations, that’s around 45. If you want to include complications from the flu then that may be as many as 5,000. So, if I’m truly worried about Black Lives, I’m going to focus on heart disease. Then violence. Somewhere above safer toasters and lightning protection is being killed by a police officer.

      2. Buck Avatar
        Buck

        And just in case you want to question my numbers, check out the guardian, MADD, Wikipedia, and the CDC. The internet has amazing facts from reliable sources.

    2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “but their lives don’t seem to matter and BLM, Sharpton, Farrakhan and Jackson say nothing about it.”

      Sharpton and Jackson have had rallies, marches, and meetings regarding violence in Chicago. Farrakhan has spoken about curbing the violence in Chicago. What made you think they haven’t spoken about it?

  109. 1Connman Avatar
    1Connman

    How black are we, how white are we, I am blacker then you, My life counts more than yours? Congratulations, you all passed the Adolf Hitler HATE TEST!!!!!

  110. Darhar M. Avatar
    Darhar M.

    A well written article that hits the nail on the head which is probably why some oppose
    it as it went over their heads.

  111. ur12c Avatar
    ur12c

    Good article with inaccurate information.

    1. The US Supreme Court’s decision on whether or not gays should be married has nothing to do with the Constitution. Therefore, we should all be appalled and embarrassed that the Justices made this type of decision at their highest level. They have degraded the purpose of their existence. Shame on them.

    2. In regards to Kim Davis, the media all around has failed to, once again, tell the truth that Davis is a DEMOCRAT. The “media” is to spewing false information, like Stascavage, around that she a conservative, SHE IS NOT. She is a devote believer of Christ and it is against her religious belief, despite her political interests, for her signature not to be on the marriage licenses between two same sex couples. It’s very simple. She was elected before the Illegal US Supreme Court decision forcing her to sign the marriage certificate. Accommodations should be made for her, not against her.

    3. “Any group promoting and spewing hatred and death” among those who protect us or others in this country, should “ALL” be labeled as terrorists group. BLM should be labled as such a group. They should have have their immigration status revoked and returned to their country. If they are US citizens, they should not be entitled to enjoy any benefits of this country, and treated and criminally charged as a Felon.

    I’m sick and tired of all the weak minded people in this country who have lost their moral compass. It started way before my time, but I see the degradation of this country unless we all act to can reverse the tide.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “but I see the degradation of this country unless we all act to can reverse the tide.”

      Sounds like you want to go back to a time when ppl were put in their place and didn’t rock the boat.

      1. ur12c Avatar
        ur12c

        You obviously don’t understand the concept of America, it was started because people did rock the boat. Unfortunately, we don’t have that same fight in keeping it on the righteous track.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          “You obviously don’t understand the concept of America,”

          I understand it quite well.

          ” it was started because people did rock the boat.”

          Does rocking the boat include enslaving and killing the Native Americans. Was that apart of the righteous track.

          1. ur12c Avatar
            ur12c

            Damn right it does, its called a war. The Natives were well trained warriors and very killed fighters, but they lost the war. They weren’t part of the US, but they were in America – so they wouldn’t have identified themselves as Native Americans, they would have identified themselves as their tribe. We just didn’t kill them, we fought them in a war. This country wasn’t given to us, it was earned in hard fought battles. So some lost, get over it, it’s history. I want to make history now by continuing the good fight and rid those who wrong in his world, and those who identify themselves as wanting to hurt those who want to maintain this great country.

          2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Damn right it does, its called a war.”

            Coming in and enslaving a group of ppl is called war?

            ” We just didn’t kill them,”

            Lol that’s entirely true. Do make it seem like every atrocity inflicted upon them was due to a war or battle.

            “This country wasn’t given to us,”

            Of course not we went and took it. Took it violently I might add.

            “So some lost, get over it, it’s history”

            Tell that to the ppl and tribes still alive today were saw their history destroyed. If the roles were reversed and we ended up like Native Americans how quickly would you be able to forget it?

          3. ur12c Avatar
            ur12c

            With their so-called retribution in the likes of their casinos and land given to them, when are they or anyone else going to stop acting like victims with their continually claim of “Oh’ woe me” with their hand out.

            So far its interesting how far you have detached from the actual topic of the article. It appears you are in a continuum battle as a societal victim, I wish you well in your future and ability to try and remain focus. Peace.

          4. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “With their so-called retribution in the likes of their casinos and land given to them”

            You think giving them casinos and stationing them on reservations is retribution. I maybe wrong but didn’t they control the entire nation at one point. There were families destroyed forever. There were hundreds if not thousands of people enslaved and their consolation prize is casinos and reservations. Reservations can be hit or miss depending on certain factors. The same can be said about casinos.

            “when are they or anyone else going to stop acting like victims with their continually claim of “Oh’ woe me” with their hand out.”

            It’a not about being a victim it’s about highlighting tragedies that occurred. In America we tend to play favorites. “Never forget this tragedy but we’ll give this tragedy limited attention.

            “So far its interesting how far you have detached from the actual topic of the article.”

            No I’m pretty much in line with the article. Certain responses are going to take the conversation in different areas.

            “I wish you well in your future and ability to try and remain focus. Peace.”

            Was I wrong with even some of the things I said?

  112.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    “Black Lives Matter …..” My question is “To whom?” Certainly not citizens of Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Ferguson, Dallas, Houston …………

    1. 1Connman Avatar
      1Connman

      Thug lives don’t matter! Stop supporting the worst of our country.

    2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      My question is “To whom?” Certainly not citizens of Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Ferguson, Dallas, Houston”

      What are you basing this on?

  113. Phil Lesh Fan Avatar
    Phil Lesh Fan

    There is nothing in this article which a reasonable mind would find offensive.

  114. enoughnow Avatar
    enoughnow

    I read the original editorial in its entirety and found it to be accurate and well-thought-out. While it may be inflammatory, I saw no evidence of “…inaccurate and twisted facts”. If they escaped me, please point out what I have missed. This young man should sew the editors for defamation!

  115. enoughnow Avatar
    enoughnow

    @halbhalbhalb:disqus
    Your posts are telling……still in school?

  116. David Puddy Avatar
    David Puddy

    GREAT article Bryan…. always remember to stand firm on the truth and don’t back down to the intolerant wackos on the far left who spew their PC garbage. Stand up to the race hustlers and haters and in the end they will always fade away…

  117. Bruno Giavonni Avatar
    Bruno Giavonni

    black lies matter is the new terrorism in this country.

  118. Tom Wichita Avatar
    Tom Wichita

    Well Written.

    Shame that the liberals and progressives on campus are pushing for censorship and book burning.

  119. Ken Avatar
    Ken

    Black lives matter is the biggest joke in the world. They kill each other all day and have serious issues they need to fix in their own communities so you can’t come out and have a movement that gives excuses instead of fixing your issues. Most blacks unfortunately are a burden to society and most are a pain in the butt in the workplace and to deal with and you all know that’s a hard fact. Get it together BLM but I think it’s too late…… BLM is a fraud and a pathetic joke

    1. Tom Wichita Avatar
      Tom Wichita

      This is a college paper forum you are using. You are not allowed to express those types of ideas here.

    2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      ” They kill each other all day and have serious issues they need to fix in their own communities”

      What makes you think that isn’t being addressed.

      “so you can’t come out and have a movement that gives excuses”

      Is that what the movement is doing?

  120. Southern Wolf Avatar

    Well said. Don’t let the book burning nazis deter you.

  121. Mick McCall Avatar
    Mick McCall

    Outstanding op/ed. I disagree with some of mr Stascavage’s views, but his point is well thought out and cogently presented.

  122. Marshal Avatar
    Marshal

    The editors who apologized for this should resign in disgrace. What cowards to beg forgiveness for such ridiculous political claptrap. What “fact” needs to be checked?

    If BLM and supporters can’t handle their obvious problems being discussed they should be roundly mocked not appeased.

  123. CEP Avatar
    CEP

    Great, mind-provoking op-ed article. Perfect for a college newspaper.

    First off, these Wesleyan Students have embodied everything, terribly wrong about Young America. Kids, sheltered in whatever little bubble they come from and choose to remain in, pushing their views on others with a dictators force. This student and soldier put time, effort, and real thought into an op-ed article and for that reason alone it should make the paper.

    Having multiple friends who have gone to Wesleyan, I have been there +/- a dozen weekends or so. The school is obviously quite a unique place and gives kids freedom, unlike really any place in the World. They can party about as freely as they’d like, there are no social norms, and they lack of respect for public safety or (P-Safe) as they call them is downright outlandish. I’ve seen them throw bottles at public safety, bait them, and degrade them in every verbal way possible.

    Many of these kids are convinced or seemingly addicted with the thoughts that they understand the social outline of the World and frankly hate anyone/everyone else. All while trying to save the World, (a vast majority of them) have their parents paying a quarter of a million dollars for their college, while I’m sure that money could be better much spent elsewhere, but that’s just my opinion.

    Wesleyan, you’ve been a great academic institution for almost 200 years in Connecticut and I believe you are the only football program with a winning record against Michigan, as well.

    However, you’ve become a breeding ground for disdain, naivety, and frankly social unawareness for quite sometime.

    This has been evident to many of your alumni, but now is clear to the World.

    1. CEP Avatar
      CEP

      Bit hard to proof read while at work.

  124. David Avatar
    David

    The word “racist” has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and neoconservative arsenal. For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists, shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena, they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves

  125. JustaThoughtB4IGo Avatar
    JustaThoughtB4IGo

    A well stated argument, until you reached your Kim Davis sermon. Kim Davis, “the misguided clerk,” won her elected position in 2014 as a Democrat. Saying that conservatives should make a point to denounce her is not an appropriate argument.
    That being said, Black Lives Matter, at its core, has a compelling statement to be made. Statistics bare out that there is a disproportionate number of young, black men in jails and prisons. But, this is not simply a result of white officers out on a vengeful rampage. There are certainly issues with the criminal justice system. However, to assume that the only thing that needs to change in the system is the way that police treat people ignores a more systemic problem in our society as a whole. Unfortunately, I do not see anyone stepping up to broaden this debate.

  126. Ed VanVoorhees 1975 Avatar
    Ed VanVoorhees 1975

    What’s so bad about this article? Thank you Bryan. Are dissenting views not allowable at the 21st Century Wesleyan? My father-in-law left Austria at age 17 because the Brown Shirts, Hitler Youth, bullying and trying to pick fights with him. Intimidation was also Lenin’s tactic to take over the Communist Party in Russia–verbal violence, and where that failed physical violence.
    How does this attempt to silence and intimidate the Argus Staff differ from Facism? As Mrs. Clinton intoned: “We are Americans and we have a right to disagree.”

    1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
      Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

      But if you are white and disagree with a black person, you’re a racist or a bigot.

  127. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
    Voice_of_Reason

    It’s hard to understand why BLM seems to focus rage on the police. The total number of people killed by the police each year (which includes blacks, whites, hispanics, etc.) is LESS than 1/6 of the number of blacks killed by other blacks each year.

    And MOST police shootings are justified, although there are a few horrible unjustified shootings such as Slager shooting a running black man in the back. Nearly NONE of the black-on-black shootings are justifiable self defense.

    So BLM really ought to focus most of its rage on black thugs.

    1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
      Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

      But whitey is who’s making the blacks kill each other by holding them down.

      1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
        Voice_of_Reason

        or, it’s the “evil gun” that takes control of their minds and makes them kill each other.

        the funny thing is that guns are widely available in Vermont and rural Minnesota, where the murder rate is literally about 1/100th of the murder rate in Baltimore, which has strict gun control.

        1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
          Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

          Tell me about it. I live here. The criminals have more rights than the tax paying law abiding citizens.

          1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            you live in Bawlamer? I have one word for you: MOVE!

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      I don’t understand why these folks thought throwing out newspapers would make the article (available online) disappear.

      1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
        Voice_of_Reason

        They don’t think, they FEEL. They are histrionic and impulsive.

    3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      So BLM really ought to focus most of its rage on black thugs.

      —————–

      What makes you think that isn’t a focus among BLM and the community in general?

      1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
        Voice_of_Reason

        I haven’t heard them chanting threatening cadences against thugs, but i’ve them chant about frying pigs like bacon.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          “I haven’t heard them chanting threatening cadences against thugs”

          That didn’t answer the question so I’ll ask it again: What makes you think that isn’t a focus among BLM and the community in general?

          1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            it did answer the question. actions speak louder than words. instead of asking questions, make your case. YOU explain how they are stopping thug violence.

            the only “answer” liberals and blacks ever come up with is “more gun control”. they can’t explain wny the murder rate in rural minnesota and Vermont is less that 1 per 100,000 even though guns are widely available, while the murder rate in every majority black big city is off the charts, even if they have strict gun control. Baltimore, for example, has a third-world murder rate of about 35 per 100,000 even though Martin O’Malley has successfully disarmed law abiding citizens.

          2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “it did answer the question.”

            This is an answer: “I haven’t heard them chanting threatening cadences against thugs”

            “actions speak louder than words.”

            They do and you seem to think the actions of the community are non existent

            “YOU explain how they are stopping thug violence.”

            Well you’re never going to stop “thug violence.” You can continue to do what the community has done in the form of protests, out reach centers, organizations, marches, training centers, self policing and events to curb violence.

          3. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            hurray. keep doing what you’re doing. oh wait, it isn’t working.

            here’s a clue: children with two caring parents tend to be far better off in every measurable way.

          4. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “hurray. keep doing what you’re doing. oh wait, it isn’t working.”

            The fact you haven’t been able to answer the question tells me everything I need to know.

            “here’s a clue: children with two caring parents tend to be far better off in every measurable way.”

            What is this in response to or is it just a statement you’re making? Two parent homes are vital no one will discount that.

          5. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            how many times do i need to answer the question? BLM started theur media blitz and protests complaining about something that DID NOT HAPPEN (the lie that Mike Brown was shot with his hands up was disproven by Holder’s DOJ).

            I have yet to see BLM say or do anything substantial on the issue of black crime, but they sure spend a lot of time and energy protesting the police.

            is that clear enough for you?

          6. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “BLM started theur media blitz and protests complaining about something that DID NOT HAPPEN (the lie that Mike Brown was shot with his hands up was disproven by Holder’s DOJ).”

            BM originally started as a hashtag after the death of Trayvon Martin. It’s not a movement tied to only one person or event.

            “I have yet to see BLM say or do anything substantial on the issue of black crime,”

            They have attended and even created events talking about the crime within the community. Hell I maybe mistaken but months after the death of Brown there was an stop the violence event which featured the fathers of Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin. BLM isn’t the only group tackling the violence within the community. Why overlook other groups that exist?

            “is that clear enough for you?”

            Can you name other groups besides BLM?

  128. laura Avatar
    laura

    http://bostonreview.net/forum/glenn-c-loury-ferguson-wont-change-anything-what-will

    …..The black freedom struggle is in deep trouble today. It is in danger of losing its way—of becoming irrelevant. With Jim Crow a distant memory and black political influence waning as other minority groups—particularly Latinos—have grown, the conditions that gave rise to the mid-twentieth-century movement have dramatically changed. The tropes and dramaturgy of an earlier era—deployed today by the likes of Reverend Al Sharpton—come off as dubious and unconvincing anachronisms. They persuade nobody who isn’t already persuaded.

    The Civil Rights Movement is to some degree a victim of its own successes in dismantling racist laws and attitudes in American society. Despite the large challenges that remain, that success is reflected in the improved legal, moral, and cultural environment that black Americans now enjoy. The election and reelection of Barack Obama, our first black president, attests to this. Overt expression of anti-black racial antipathy would prove fatal to the career of a politician, prominent business executive, celebrity athlete or entertainer. Ours is not a “colorblind” or “post-racial” society, and it may never be. But the easy enemy of overt, de jure discrimination has largely been conquered. What remains is what some call structural racism—the tacit, de facto impediments that systematically disadvantage African Americans and others. The effects of de facto racism are not minor, but they also are not easily reached by anti-discrimination laws and not usefully illuminated by cases such as Brown’s.

    What we face today are conditions and associated policy problems that are hard to remedy and are often morally ambiguous—for instance, conflicts between mainly white police departments and mainly black communities where violent crime often takes place. Frustrated responses to these conditions frequently trade on idealized portraits of deprivation. But arguments on behalf of change must be credible; they must be based in reality; they cannot rest on hyperbole or dubious historical analogy or the like-minded understandings of the politically correct. Arguments for less punitive law enforcement, more community-friendly policing, more public investment in the urban spaces where large numbers of black and brown people live, less suspicion of young black men—these arguments, to be effective and persuasive, have to acknowledge the realities of our time.

    One of these realities is the high rate of violence in low-income minority neighborhoods. Violent encounters between police and black men are common in contemporary urban America—national numbers are, amazingly, unknown, but according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, in the eight-year period between 2005 and 2012, twenty-seven blacks and six whites were shot dead by police in St. Louis alone—in part because of racist policing, in part because of concentrated poverty, and in part because young black men participate in so much violent crime. In twenty-five of those thirty-three St. Louis cases, police claimed to have resorted to deadly force only after being attacked by the suspects.

    The controversy over the shooting in Ferguson underscores the fact that the main source of the racial tensions in modern America is the tortured relationship between residents of urban black communities and the police there. This is, unavoidably, difficult moral terrain. Excessive police violence, born of contempt for residents, is a real problem. And racial profiling of law-abiding black people often poisons police-community relations. We should never lose sight of these truths.

    But they are not the only relevant truths. It is also the case that violent criminal victimization occurs in inner cities, often at the hands of young black men. Such violence necessitates a vigorous police response. Yes, I want bankers punished when they steal from clients. Yes, I want public officials punished for violating the public trust. But I also want young black men punished when they undermine public order.

    To be sure, some of the laws being broken in urban America are wrong. As I have argued elsewhere, we have over-criminalized on the drug front, and the impact of this punitive moral crusade on people of color has been disproportionate and devastating. That racial injustice demands correction. Moreover, many of the low-income, poorly educated black and brown people caught up in the criminal justice system would not be there if they had better legal representation and economic opportunities. Their transgressions often carry negative consequences that are out of line with the severity of their misdeeds, considerably weightier than what befalls middle-class white youngsters committing the same acts. In many tragic true stories, lack of money, contacts, and legal sophistication costs the freedom and life prospects of a young person from the wrong side of the tracks. These palpable manifestations of social inequality, which too have a racist aspect, need to be remedied.

    These realities—of routine minority victimization by the criminal justice system and the need to maintain order in poor minority communities—don’t map easily onto the Ferguson protests. The larger social critique of law enforcement in American cities and its impact on people of color is not well served by Brown’s painful example. That leads to hyperbolic claims about police looking to gun down innocent black teenagers because of the color of their skin, claims that don’t advance the political task at hand when the evidence suggests they are not true. Demands that prisons be abolished because too many blacks are locked up, complaints that today’s war on drugs is the functional equivalent of yesterday’s Jim Crow, acts of violence directed at law enforcement in the name of resistance—these, too, are politically harmful if the aim is to persuade a majority of our fellow citizens of the need for reforms.

    If we want to see fundamental change in this area of public policy—where the state’s monopoly on the legitimate use of force collides with a community’s legitimate demand that order and security be maintained without contempt, alienation, and oppression—then we shall have to tread into some difficult territory. This is the territory where we reckon with the sources of disorder in too many American communities—including transgressions disproportionately enacted by black people. Where such transgression is the norm, people live in fear for their safety, and police officers know they could end up in life-threatening situations. These are not fantasies in the minds of law enforcement officers and residents of communities afflicted with violence, but fears inspired by real events. Righteous demands for racial justice such as those now echoing from protests in Ferguson can be compelling, but not if these fears and their factual bases are implicitly or explicitly denied.

    This, it seems to me, is an argument that has to be made over and over again until it prevails. There are no shortcuts. To require that Brown be memorialized as a choirboy and Wilson demonized as a racist monster—to require, more generally, that the scourge of incarceration in black communities be understood as the rampant arrest of people who have done nothing wrong, who are the victims of police, prosecutorial, and judicial racism—is to start out with two strikes against oneself. The goal of moving our troubled democracy toward racial justice won’t be achieved through caricature and denial.

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      blacks are ALREADY free. why do they need a black freedom movement?
      maybe they would be better served with a movement to try to get more black kids properly socialized, civilized, and educated.

      yes, I wrote properly socialized and civilized – which means raised correctly and inculcated in a useful culture. burning down your city because you are angry about the police is an uncivilized and incompetent way to address the situation.

      1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
        Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        68% of the NFL are black players. Who says there isn’t opportunity for them?

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          i never said that there isn’t opportunity for blacks.

          1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
            Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

            I was making a side-statement, more than likely out of place in response to your statement. The black freedom movement also screams that they can’t get jobs because there’s no opportunity. There are a lot of jobs available. But they requires you to get up in the morning and actually go do something. Why do that when you can sit on your stoop all day long, squeeze out 4 or 5 kids, and make more money off the government? Several of my black friends have full-time jobs or two jobs and work their azzes off….and they agree with me 100% that the system is broken and a lot of these “BLM protesters” are just looking for more handouts.

          2. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            A black guy with normal intelligence, no felonies, who can speak English correctly is ALWAYS hired first at government jobs.

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “and a lot of these “BLM protesters” are just looking for more handouts.”

            They are looking for the opposite actually.

      2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        “blacks are ALREADY free. why do they need a black freedom movement? ”

        Because there are still issues and injustices that occur that haven’t been solved.

        “burning down your city because you are angry about the police is an uncivilized and incompetent way to address the situation.”

        You say that as if that is a common occurrence among black people when that is not the case.

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          huh. i haven’t seen any white folk rioting about black on white crime, which is way more prevalent that white on black crime. I haven’t seen any mobs of white people beating a black since reels of ancient news footage.

          the only rioting i’ve ever seen whities involved in was about sports teams – and there were blacks in the crowds, too.

          As for unsolved racial injustices, I agree. Why is the NBA 70% black when blacks are only 13% of the population? The NBA needs to have quotas for eskimos, fat white guys, and asians!

          And why is it that the highest scoring black admittee to Harvard EVERY YEAR scores lower on the SATs than many asians whomare not admitted??

          1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “huh. i haven’t seen any white folk rioting about black on white crime, which is way more prevalent that white on black crime”

            I’ve seen white people riot for a lot less. “Sporting events, surf competition, pumpkin fests.

            “I haven’t seen any mobs of white people beating a black since reels of ancient news footage.”

            You haven’t?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_HvJ0PXuYs
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbMsZM-eO4
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcRpyRnSnc

            “Why is the NBA 70% black when blacks are only 13% of the population?”

            Who owns the teams and the league in the NBA?

          2. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            congratulations, you found some examples. doesn’t change the FACT that interracial crime is almost exclusively black on white. it’s well documented, includng by DoJ.

            and your question makes no sense.

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “congratulations, you found some examples.”

            You stated you haven’t seen it in a while so I felt the need to search for examples. You could have searched for them yourself.

            “and your question makes no sense.”

            It makes perfect sense. You made a point to mention a sport that is predominately black as if to say there are structures set up to keep out any other ethnicity when that is not the case. Even though the NBA is predominately African American; a majority of the owners, coaches, and front is white. I’m not demanding that AA needed to takeover the league but don’t make it seem like AA control it.

          4. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            you spectacularly miss the point.

            Is the over representation of a particular group in a certain activity an indicator of racial discrimination? Or could it simply be that some groups tend to be better at some things than others?

          5. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “you spectacularly miss the point.”

            What is the point exactly?

            “Is the over representation of a particular group in a certain activity an indicator of racial discrimination?. Or could it simply be that some groups tend to be better at some things than others?”

            The NBA being predominately AA is different then say union jobs that discriminated against certain minorities. If you can play and have skill you will find a spot. That’s not the same as someone seeing your skin tone, name, and address and decide well we’ll just skip over this resume.

          6. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            aha. so you are stating skills are not distributed the same between different groups? because one field that does not discriminate (NBA players) is dominated by a particular, relatively small group?

          7. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “aha. so you are stating skills are not distributed the same between different groups? ”

            No I’m stating differences that exists. There are no barriers in the NBA blocking different ethnicities from participating. You’re not going to see someone ignore a player who is white simply based on his skin color.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      The real issue is the one no one wants to talk about: It’s not about oppression of blacks by the big white boogeyman… it’s about their own culture and value system, particularly in lower income brackets, that continues to sabotage any possibility for climbing the ladder out of poverty. Part of this is due to the embracing of a victim culture, where everyone and anyone who isn’t black is out to oppress blacks. This ends up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. There is also no recognition that the very real major-chip-on-their-shoulder attitude constantly gets in their way. What rational person really wants to deal with attitude all the time… especially when they can go run to HR at the drop of a hat. Other factors include the self-sabotage of refusing to learn proper English, adapt to standards of clothing that enhance one’s marketability, and showing up for work ON TIME. Then there is also the culture of forced conformity, biased toward the ignorant, that is directed at other blacks who tire of the nonsense and want to better themselves… they become ostracized by the group and are often targeted for unpleasantness.
      These are the main reasons for the ‘oppression’ that is such a highlight of the BLM rabble-rousers… it gets attention from the media, but becomes tiring after a short while… just like any other screaming child.

      Eventually the media (or consumers) will tire of the never-ending outrage of BLM and self-proclaimed ‘leaders’ like Al Sharpton and they’ll move on. But right now there is big money to be made from outrage. Al Sharpton has quite the collection of high-end automobiles… funded, no doubt, by his regular appearances on television and lectures, which pay really, really well.

  129.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I heard an editor from the paper in an interview re: this op ed piece, on NPR…actually I tuned in half way through, and heard the bizarre apology the paper gave after getting grief for running the piece. I came here to read it, because I figured it had to be over the top harsh, and now I am at a loss for words. WHY THE HECK APOLOGIZE? This guy is anything but hostile or off base. This PC perma victims…always screaming about being OFFENDED by somebody’s opinion is ridiculous and pathetic. GROW UP.

    1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
      Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

      We are in the New P.C. US of A where everyone is offended by something and must receive an apology. Example: All whites are required to apologize for slavery; and by doing that admit wrong doing and will be sued. God Bless The US! VOTE TRUMP!

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      The louder the scream, the less rational people listen.

  130. JimmyJames Avatar
    JimmyJames

    While I agree with many of the author’s points about more productive outlets to get their messages across, his main premise is predicated on demonstrable falsehoods. He implies that life is growing ever more dangerous for police officers because of the black lives matter movement. He does not support this claim with anything but anecdotal evidence because in reality, it has never ever been safer to be a police officer in the United States. Meanwhile, just interacting with a police officer can be very dangerous for anyone, and particularly black people, and the evidence that police have become more militarized, confrontational, and trigger happy is overwhelming.
    Yes BLM can and should find a way to channel their messages more appropriately. But to say they need to do so because of the safety of Police Officers is so undermining of the very legitimate grievances BLM (tries to) represent it is frustrating to think about. It indicates that police rhetoric thats anti BLM is justified and defensible, whereas the other way around is disgusting and inexcusible. Meanwhile only one side is actually facing increasing dangers, and its not the Police.

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      no doubt the police have committed some egregious crimes recently – Slager comes immediately to mind. And no doubt (in my mind) that the war on drugs is counterproductive and results in lots of arrests of black people that doesn’t make society any safer.

      But BLM is still full of crap. Depending on the year you look at, 6 times as many blacks are murdered by other blacks than the entire number of police shootings of all races. And the majority of police shootings are justified. If Black Lives REALLY Mattered, the focus would be on the biggest problem.

      The difference is that the extraordinary black murder rates have no central villain figure. The police are easy to find and identify, so they make easy scapegoats for stupid, emotional, angry people. The police pull back, crime and murder in black areas goes even higher, and the people suffer.

      1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        “If Black Lives REALLY Mattered, the focus would be on the biggest problem.”

        What makes you think ppl are not focusing on that?

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          actions speak louder than words.

          1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “actions speak louder than words.”

            It does and I’ll ask again: What makes you think ppl are not focusing on that? What evidence do you have that ppl aren’t tackling B on B crime.

          2. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            wow. hard to believe you even asked that question.

            murder rates in black areas are going back up again, as police pull back from places where they feel threatened.

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “wow. hard to believe you even asked that question.”

            I ask the question because you haven’t answered it and still haven’t. I’ll ask it again: What makes you think ppl are not focusing on that? What evidence do you have that ppl aren’t tackling B on B crime. There are a host of orgs., marches, and groups geared toward combating the problem. Why do ppl assume the community is sitting on their hands not doing anything at all.

            “murder rates in black areas are going back up again,”

            It’s up in certain areas. It’s not the crime wave ppl assume it is.

            “as police pull back from places where they feel threatened.”

            A number of them are pulling back because they don’t want to be held accountable.

    2. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
      Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

      The same argument could be made about the Confederate flag. Just because one racist idiot took it upon himself to wear the shirt when he killed a bunch of innocent people, doesn’t mean all people that have a confederate flag or drive a car with it on the roof are racists. How many rednecks have shot and killed police officers?

      1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
        Voice_of_Reason

        in this case, i’m not buying your analogy. despite the massive “rebranding” effort spent on changing the history of the confederate flag, it remains the flag of traitors who advocated slavery. you can say the civil war wasn’t about slavery, but Jefferson Davis said that is WAS about slavery.
        We’d be better off today if the economy of the south had not been based on a product that required slave labor to produce at competitive prices. Crime and illiteracy would sure be lower.

        1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
          Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

          Weren’t Democrats major advocates for slavery? Why aren’t they being hung out to dry?

          1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            Why try to rebrand the confederate flag? The confederacy died 150 years ago.

            Besides, everyone with a brain knows that rich white dems don’t really give a crap about blacks. They just throw them some scraps every once in a while. They are liberals who don’t actually want to be around poor blacks.

          2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Besides, everyone with a brain knows that rich white dems don’t really give a crap about blacks”

            Do you give a crap about “blacks”

          3. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            I care about the black people I know. but i don’t havy any sympathy for BLM.

          4. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “I care about the black people I know”

            And what are you doing to help the black community?

    3. Buck Avatar
      Buck

      You state that without any evidence. BLM started with Michael Brown, whose shooting was justified since, as many witnesses testified in front of a grand jury, was after he smacked Ofc. Wilson in the car, and then charged at Ofc. Wilson. So, yes, it’s dangerous to hit a police officer. It’s really dangerous to charge at a police officer. Twice.
      And for police officers 2013 was safer than 2014, and 2014 was safer than 2015.

      1. Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Avatar
        Pants_Up__Dont_Loot

        It seems to be that running from the police tends to lead to a lot of these shootings….hmmmm…. Don’t Run, Don’t Die. I think I have my new moniker!

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Don’t be silly. Can’t you see that the only thing this violent out of control mob is demanding is that police not defend themselves against felons that violently resist arrest when they don’t feel like being arrested for their felonies. Is that too much to ask?

    4. VWH Avatar
      VWH

      I don’t see facts in this rebuttal. Time to post death stats, and show the percentage actually caused by law enforcement. BLM has called for attacks on police, this is not a falsehood. Several law enforcement officers have since been killed execution style, not falsehood.

      1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
        Abdul Keddou

        BLM hypocrisy is exposed daily by their refusal to mention black-on-black murders and only whining when black thugs/criminals like Michael Brown get justifiably shot by cops.

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          BLM hypocrisy is exposed daily by their refusal to mention black-on-black murders

          ——————

          You realize BLM members have attended and are apart of black on black stop the violence events right

      2. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        Several law enforcement officers have since been killed execution style, not falsehood.

        ——————-

        And yet even with those recent shootings the number of cops kill it at a low number compared to previous years.

    5.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      I think you need to modify your statement to say that this year has been safer for police officers who don’t have to interact with participants in the black lives matter movement or other black protestors.

      In addition to assassinations of police by members of the movement who spout exactly the same rhetoric as all the other members of BLM, more than 100 officers were injured in the riots in Baltimore.

      Is “Pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon” something peaceful protestors wanting meaningful change would say, or are those the vocalizations of an out of control, violent, angry mob?

      1. Abdul Keddou Avatar
        Abdul Keddou

        Good points amigo. Remember where the BLM thugs got that chant was from a slogan posted on social media by the cop-killer who slaughtered 2 NYPD officers sitting in their squad car last December. That cop-killer was likewise inspired by an earlier BLM chant from NYC street protests that went “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!”

        1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
          The Big City of Dreams

          Are the BLM ppl the same ones who offered condolences to the officers who lost their lives. Were they the same ones who walked in the March for the officers as well?

    6. 1Connman Avatar
      1Connman

      Do you have any idea why blacks have problems with police? It’s the same reason that blacks kill blacks so often. They do not respect themselves nor do they law enforcement. Try doing what you are told by the police when you are stopped. Don’t run or answer back. Nobody cares that your great grandfather was a slave.

    7. Alex Avatar
      Alex

      “He implies that life is growing ever more dangerous for police officers because of the black lives matter movement.” — No, he shares that the police officers he spoke to feel under fire and are more on edge. That is their *perception* of the situation, no doubt fueled by the provocative and violent rhetoric of much of the BLM movement.

      “just interacting with a police officer can be very dangerous for anyone, and particularly black people,” – Actually the vast majority of people, of all colors, interact just fine with police officers without any violence occurring. People who choose to fight with police officers, threaten them, pull real or fake guns on them, etc, have a much higher chance of have an unpleasant, if not deadly, experience with the police.

      “and the evidence that police have become more militarized, confrontational, and trigger happy is overwhelming” — Militarized? Maybe. But “overwhelming evidence” that they are more confrontational and trigger-happy? No.

  131. Abdul Keddou Avatar
    Abdul Keddou

    @JimmyJames > You are a shameful BLM nuthugger who is either a guilt-ridden white liberal with no black friends or a racist black supremacist. BLM is an indefensible bunch of cop-hating anarchistic thugs who seek to disarm cops nationwide. Their patron saint is the Divider-in-Chief Barack Obama who has poisoned the racial climate in this country with major help from his racebaiting homies Eric Holder and Al Sharpton. Obama is a half-black racist who despises his white half so thoroughly that he goes out of his way to prove how “black” he is. He tries to make martyrs out of violent thugs like Michael Brown, who brought his own death upon himself.

  132.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Saint Michael Brown seems to have been raised on too many calories,but no morality ;
    Until the BLM movement understands this, they remain the Black Lies Matter movement

  133.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    RINO Bryan is NO conservative, modern or otherwise, he’s just a liberal doing the two step and the BS is all over his shoes. If he were a conservative, he’d have principles and it’s apparent from his column that he sways like reeds in the wind going to and fro in an effort to be ‘moderate’ in his views on BLM, gay marriage, etc. Not exactly a piece of the rock but a middle of the road moderate and we all know if you stand in the middle of the road too long you get run over. Go ahead Bryan and keep up your efforts to be on both sides of issues so not to offend others, it’s sure to get you attention but distrust because no one can tell where you stand on black and white issues; at least they used to be black and white issues until liberalism polluted everything into shades of grey.

  134.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    The only proper response to this article to is to write an opinion piece in response. If you have a valid argument, put it in writing and it will be read and respected. If you don’t have the courage to put your words down on paper with your name attached — you are a coward. Fighting thought with intimidation and violence will bring us backwards as a society.

  135.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    So them printing this rather vanilla piece is what all the fuss is about? What a bunch of politically correct pantywaists these liberals are. If anything the young man didn’t go far enough. My opinion of this movement it that its so-called peaceful protests are being used to justify riots. Cops are good people and they are pretty good are ferreting out the bad ones.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      “they are pretty good are ferreting out the bad ones.”

      How often are the bad ones ferreted out?

  136. JayWilson Avatar
    JayWilson

    The author picks and chooses which equivalencies to make. He says that if the police as a whole are to be judged by it’s violent extremists then the Black Lives Matter movement should be judged by the same criteria. In the next moment, he states that the mainstream Black Lives Matter protesters need to publicly disown its (supposed) violent radicals; but never states the same of the police. He also fails to look at the killings of cops with any historical perspective, nor does he compare the number of cops killed in the line of duty with the number of unarmed civilians killed by police officers. Finally, he failed to do the necessary research about the rampant racism present in many police precincts, to wit: http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-white-supremacists-law-enforcement/

  137.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    The Commie Courant says there was some bad statistics in here but I just re-read the thing and I don’t see any statics mentioned. Its the Commie Courant that is inaccurate. Will they correct themselves? As Discount Bob would say, I doubt it!

  138. Rick Avatar
    Rick

    If the George Soros funded BLM is really interested in saving black lives, as opposed to celebrating the destruction of cops why are they no permanently camped out in front of Chicago city hall!

  139.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Excellent article!

  140. Jim Scotts Avatar
    Jim Scotts

    Bryan Stascavage for Class President!!!!!

  141. mz Avatar
    mz

    Great article. Kudos to Bryan for having the courage to write it, and The Wesleyan Argus for having the courage to publish it.

  142. MMASeaDog Avatar
    MMASeaDog

    Bryan. For starts Thank You for your service. I just saw you this morning on Fox News and congratulate your courage to write this piece. You’ve brought up some thoughts and questions that are provocative and are asking a great question about the goals and intention of the Black Lives Matters Organization. Black lives, Blue lives and frankly all lives matter. I have to agree with you on where is the Black Lives Matters organization heading. Though some claim don’t judge the larger group by the actions of a few extremists, I have yet to see leadership of the Black Lives Matters group speak out against calls to kill police and to fry them like bacon.

    I am also amazed about how quickly the liberal student body doesn’t have the same level of compassion and tolerance for a differing view from their own.

    Keep up the good work and continue to stand by your beliefs and words. After all they are yours and it is your choice as an American to have them. Don’t let the hypocritical left in your student body silence your opinion. Imagine what would happen if you lashed out at them for their opinion or believes the way they have gone after you.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      I have yet to see leadership of the Black Lives Matters group speak out against calls to kill police and to fry them like bacon.”

      I think Deray and Marc Lamont Hill spoke out against that.

  143.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Militant thugs don’t like their motives and actions being questioned. BLM is nothing more than a racist, violent group that targets whites and cops. How ironic that the Free Speech Movement, which was started by leftwing radicals on university campuses in the 1960s, against the ‘oppressive establishment’, has now become the oppressive establishment.

    1. JoJoViolet Avatar
      JoJoViolet

      Actually if you read the article you would know that nobody is oppressing anyone. The university and the editors both stated that they would not seek to restrain the author’s right to free speech. Free speech does not mean that people don’t have a right to be pissed off about what this guy wrote. As a matter of fact it means just the opposite, those angered by this op-ed have every right to disagree and exercise their free speech right and that’s what they did. Nobody hurt this guy. Nobody burned his house down. Of course if BlackLivesMatter folks were the ‘violent thugs’ like you claim they would have killed this guy. But they are not ‘violent thugs’ and their response to this op-ed piece proves it.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Oh, yes they are. Death threats (https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2015/09/25/black-lives-matter-thug-arrested-after-posting-threats-on-youtube/) and shooting cops at random are part and parcel of this radical, violent, militant group:
        http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260126/blacklivesmatter-activist-murders-kentucky-cop-matthew-vadum

        They don’t like criticism. They inspire that shit. SSG Casecavage needs to watch his back.
        If you actually acknowledged their hatespeech, rhetoric and violent actions instead of trying to make excuses, you’d have a little credibility.

  144. Alan Falcone Avatar
    Alan Falcone

    Spot on Bryan Stascavage. Personally I think the movement went sour a long time ago, like when it was created. ALL LIVES MATTER!! No race card or ethnic card, just the AMERICAN CARD!!! Straighten up and fly right!!!

    1. JoJoViolet Avatar
      JoJoViolet

      Yes, let’s pretend the problem of cops targeting black men/women doesn’t exist. And I just want to slap some sense into people using ‘all lives matter’. Should we all start protesting against ‘stand up 2 cancer’ events? Because I am offended that they think heart disease, diabetes and all the other serious diseases don’t matter. Of course that would be stupid.
      BlackLivesMatter is an organization born out of a specific issue, cops killing unarmed blacks. Never once have they said no other lives matter, just like Stand Up 2 Cancer has never said no other diseases are important.
      Let’s face it. The only reason people get angry at the name and movement that identifies a specific problem is because of the word ‘Black’. If they called it ‘white lives are not the only lives that matter’, I doubt folks would object.

      1. Alex Avatar
        Alex

        “Never once have they said no other lives matter” — They do just then when they side with black criminals who threatened police officers, pulled real or fake guns on them, etc.. They do when they argue that police do not have a right to use deadly force to stop a reasonably perceived threat of imminent death or serious bodily harm. They do that when they argue that “unarmed” means “undangerous”.

        1. JoJoViolet Avatar
          JoJoViolet

          But you see every black man/woman that is killed by the cops as a criminal. And you simple believe the police when they make their case to justify a shooting. Yet, almost every time a video surfaces it shows that the cops lied so their ‘word’ means very little to those who pay attention to facts. Cops said Walter Scott was armed and shot during a physical altercation – video surfaces and it shows that Scott was running away and that the cop shot him in the back and then in plain view picked up the taser and planted next to Scott’s body. Not to mention the paramedics and other cops who saw him plant the weapon and said nothing. COPS LIED.
          Cops said Kajieme Powell came running at them holding a knife, arm raised over his head in an attack position and they didnt shoot til he was 2-3 ft away. Video surfaces and Powell never raised his arm, did not run at them and they shot him when he was about 8 ft away. Yes, he was armed and because he was not much of a fuss was made but still the COPS LIED. Sandra Bland video shows COPS LIED. So what kind of fool would just believe what the cops say?

          1. Alex Avatar
            Alex

            Actually, Slager put the taser back in duty belt a minute after that… And Sandra Bland committed suicide–another example of BLM blaming the cops for something–and no evidence that the cops have lied about anything has come out.

            And Kajieme Powell? Did the police lie or were they mistaken because things happened so fast or did something get lost in translation between the police officers statements and what was told to higher-ups who talked to the press? That video that you reference shows that he advanced on the police with a knife! Once he was within 15-20 feet of them, they had the right to fire. That video proves the shooting was justified. And yes, he was criminal because he deliberately threatened police with a weapon.

            You left out BLM touting the Mike Brown case (where evidence clearly showed Wilson was justified). You left out the Tamir Rice case (where video showed him pulling the gun from his waist band). You left out the guy in Walmart who raised a BB gun towards the cops when confronted. You left out Eric Garner, who resisted arrest and later died of a heart attack (yet BLM still claims he was “choked to death” despite zero injury to his neck). You left out Vonderrit Myers, who SHOT at police officers, yet BLM still protested his death and spread claims that he didn’t have gun (he did; multiple witnesses + physical evidence prove that). You left out Anthony Robinson, who physically assaulted a police officer.

            Do I think every black person shot by police is a criminal? No. But most of them were, and they caused their own deaths by assaulting, threatening, or shooting at officers, or by resisting arrest despite health issues.

          2. JoJoViolet Avatar
            JoJoViolet

            Funny you should argue the Scott case, the only one where the cop has been charged with murder. Please check the initial statements by the police as to what they said including the police chief who said the cops were like his children. As for putting the taser back in his belt, true but that didn’t stop him from claiming that Scott stole it from him and had it on his person when Slager shot. You are right about the paramedics not on the scene yet, I apologize, my mistake. As for not knowing what the other cop said, he hasn’t said a word that we are aware of because of the very point I made regarding cops in control of what info is released.
            Tamir Rice, you have got to be kidding! The cop got out of the vehicle before it even came to a stop and started shooting. I have watched the video and saw nothing about the toy gun being pulled out of his waistband, not to mention he was shot within 2 seconds of the cop car coming into view. Tamir wouldn’t had time to sneeze much less pose a threat.
            John Crawford did not raise a still packaged bb gun at the cops. Period.
            Eric Gardner screamed he couldn’t breathe repeatedly but the cops didn’t care. He was not choked, his chest was compressed by the cops on top of him.
            Vonderitt Myers, the cops say he was armed and actually they didn’t say he shot at them, not initially anyway. And some witnesses have made statements to the contraty. Once again you are expecting people to just believe the cops and go on their merry way.
            Michael Brown is not the best example of police brutality. He did commit several crimes but I live 5 minutes from Ferguson and there are some things that you may not be aware of. The story of Darren Wilson having a broken eye socket was a lie. Medical reports proved that. The grand jury was a joke. The county prosecuter’s father was a cop killed by a black man when the prosecutor was a young boy but he insisted that would not influence his prosecution. He refused to recuse himself even when the governor asked. The prosecution allowed a woman to testify as a witness despite the fact that the prosecution knew she wasn’t even in the state. She apparently drives around the country pretending to be a witness for her 15 minutes of fame. The prosecutor knew this, he publicly stated that he knew this but said ‘I felt the jury needed to hear everyone’. Yet many of the citizens that claimed to be witnesses weren’t allowed to testify. In addition, they gave Wilson free reign to make his case. He spent an hour on the stand, he was not ‘prosecuted’ at all. It was more like the prosecutor was the defense attorney. Lastly, the prosecutor handed the jury a document that stated that it was perfectly legal to shoot a suspect that is fleeing but that law had been declared unconstitutional decades ago. Later he oft handedly mentioned that that document was outdated but did not elaborate. Several jurors have said they were not told that shooting an unarmed suspect was illegal. Michael Brown was not a saint and again NOT a perfect example of police brutality but if you read the DOJ report regarding the Ferguson police you might understand why it triggered such an angry response.

            Still asking, which case do you think was NOT a justified shooting that BlackLivesMatter should focus on?

          3. Alex Avatar
            Alex

            “Funny you should argue the Scott case,” — Don’t you mean that I didn’t argue it, other than pointing out your mistakes. We don’t have enough of the evidence yet to make an informed decision. However, Schlager did have blood on his leg (like from a Taser dart) after the shooting and the video appears to show the Taser wires attached to him as Scott starts to run away. So the case is murky, and I’m waiting for the physical evidence and witness statements before I make a decision.

            “Tamir Rice,” — Sorry, it is *clearly* on the video that he starts to pull the toy gun from his waist. How long should the cops have waited to determine it was a toy? What if it had been real (as the cops had been told)?

            “John Crawford did not raise a still packaged bb gun at the cops.” – -Again, I watched the video. It was not still packaged, and yes, he did initially raise it, perhaps because the cops startled him. However, he also dove for it a *second* time!! The cops continued to fire when he did that.

            “Eric Gardner” — If you say you can’t breathe, you can breathe. And if you don’t think he was “choked to death”, then you admit that the BLM movement is lying about that case. If Garner had simply not resisted arrest, he would have been fine.

            “Vonderitt Myers,” — The BLM movement continued to protest his death long after the evidence came out that Myers was both armed and had shot at the police officer.

            “Michael Brown” – The broken eye socket was an Internet rumor, not an official police statement (and Wilson never claimed he had that). The grand jury system was *finally* used as it should be in this country–it was given all the evidence, instead of just the evidence cherry-picked by a prosecutor.

            “The prosecution allowed a woman to testify as a witness despite the fact that the prosecution knew she wasn’t even in the state.” — Knew? or Suspected? And witness falsehoods were brought out during questioning by the prosecutors. For example, every anti-Wilson witness was found to be not credible and to have given statements that were inconsistent with the physical evidence. Only a single pro-Wilson witness, the one you just mentioned, was found to not be credible.

            “many of the citizens that claimed to be witnesses weren’t allowed to testify.” — Name one. Sorry, those are just more unsubstantiated rumors. People from the nearby cars testified, people who were in apartments or who were working on-site testified. Who was left?

            “they gave Wilson free reign to make his case.” — Yes, and that is perfectly legal. Most potential defendants simply don’t testify because their statements can be used against them in a later trial and because they cannot have a lawyer assisting them.

            “the prosecutor handed the jury a document that stated that it was perfectly legal to shoot a suspect that is fleeing but that law had been declared unconstitutional decades ago.” — Not quite accurate. The jury was early on given an accurate copy of the Missouri statute. A different statute in a different state had recently been declared unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. Therefore, it was likely that Missouri’s law, which was similar, would also be found unconstitutional if challenged.

            “Later he oft handedly mentioned that that document was outdated but did not elaborate.” — First of all, “he” did not do anything. Two female attorneys from his office handled this case. Second, I read the grand jury transcripts. The revised version of the law was handed-out and the jurors were *clearly* told to disregard the older version and rely only on the current version–which they were given before they started to deliberate.

            “Several jurors have said they were not told that shooting an unarmed suspect was illegal.” — Because shooting an unarmed suspect is *not* necessarily illegal. It is indeed legal under a number of circumstances.

            Which cases do I think were unjustified? The trooper in Alabama (I think) who shot the black motorist who turned back into his truck to get his ID. That guy survived, and the trooper was charged with assault. Also, the guy who got shot in the stairwell in New York; he and his girlfriend went into a darkened stairwell in an apartment building and startled two police officers, one of whom shot the guy. That was clearly unjustified. Of course, that officer has also been charged. Sorry, I can’t remember the names. And I haven’t decided on the Scott/Schlager case yet.

          4. JoJoViolet Avatar
            JoJoViolet

            I just watched the store video on John Crawford, you are so full of shit. Any dive for the bb gun was justified, geez, cops were shooting at him. The video shows there was no time for verbal warnings, plus he dropped the gun so really he did what he was supposed to. In addition, Ritchie, the customer who called the police later recanted his claim that Crawford was pointing the gun at anyone. Crawford was on his phone when the cops shot him. But what does it matter. The cops weren’t charged. They rarely are because black lives DON’T matter to some cops.

          5. Alex Avatar
            Alex

            “ny dive for the bb gun was justified, geez, cops were shooting at him. ” — Um, no. If the cops are shooting at you, you do not have the right to go for a gun to shoot back. What a twisted notion of common sense and the law you have. The cops were not charged because Crawford started to raise a realistic-looking gun at them and then went for it a second (!) time. That makes them have a reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm or death, and they–just like every citizen of this country–are then justified in using deadly force.

            Faulty thinking like yours and your absolute inability to admit things that are ON TAPE are the reason the BLM movement lacks credibility.

          6. JoJoViolet Avatar
            JoJoViolet

            He didn’t raise the gun, he dropped it hence the reason he had to ‘dive’ for it. (And he was on his phone) Maybe we do think differently. If i am in a store and guys start shooting at me for no apparent reason all while knowing i had done nothing wrong, i wouldn’t give a rats ass what uniform they were wearing, i would defend myself. They were shooting withour any regard for anything or anyone and i don’t believe they were going to stop until Crawford was dead. You notice that none of the shoppers in the store seemed concerned. Only the guy who called the cops and he admittedly lied about Crawford pointing the gun at people. So the cops think this crazed black man is threatening peoples lives with a gun, they would not have stopped shooting until he was dead.

          7. Alex Avatar
            Alex

            He started to raise the gun. That’s on the tape. Then after ducking behind the end of the aisle, he lunged for it again. If he hadn’t done that, he might still be alive. And what do you mean they were “shooting withour any regard for anything or anyone”? There was nothing behind Crawford but shelves; they weren’t shooting out into the store.

            I agree that the guy who called the cops was wrong (and you’re the one putting the word “crazed” out there; that was never a part of the original phone call). But you are, in part, blaming the cops for not knowing the guy who called 911 was full of crap. Sorry, that’s wrong. You have to look at what the cops knew and reasonably believed at the time they shot at Crawford. And that was that a man started to raise a realistic looking gun toward them. Oh and BB guns can cause serious injury…

          8. JoJoViolet Avatar
            JoJoViolet

            Oh, and your story on Vonderitt Myers is full of holes as well.

      2. Alan Falcone Avatar
        Alan Falcone

        Your cure for cancer kills the patient. Nice…

        1. JoJoViolet Avatar
          JoJoViolet

          That’s it? That’s your clever retort? Pathetic.

          1. Alan Falcone Avatar
            Alan Falcone

            Why go to war when I can win with one clean swipe? Just because you want to stretch it out. After the point it is all noise.

  145. Chance Dameon Avatar
    Chance Dameon

    Remember Lenny Bruce, would today’s mamby pamby thin skinned mama’s boys and girls have agreed with his prosecution because he wasn’t sensitive? Grow up and grow a pair life is not always going to agree with you and it is better to remember the old saying “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”.

  146. JoJoViolet Avatar
    JoJoViolet

    What the author fails to realize is that there has been much progress done by the movement in peaceful non headline making ways. I live 5 minutes from Ferguson and the changes going on there are being made by peaceful, intelligent, cooperative citizens and activists. The police dept has increased the number of black officers. The city council held new elections and are now more representative of the community. Businesses are moving in and the methods of police, revenue grabbing , ticket policy has changed. All THIS is because of the protests and the riots and the activists of BlackLivesMatter. But all this guy thinks they are responsible for is riots and police bashing.
    I especially take offense when he mentions change AND crediting the police as if it was their idea, ….”Police forces around the country are making more of an effort to be more transparent, have undergone investigations to root out racist officers and policies, and have forced the conversation to the front pages after being buried on the back pages for far too long.”
    The author even gave cops the credit for forcing the issues to the front page. That is disgusting. BlackLivesMatter and it’s supporters are the reason this has been front page news. Cops killing unarmed black men did not start with Michael Brown. Cops could have done all the things the author mentions before the black community stood up and screamed…No more. But the cops didn’t because they didn’t care enough to want to. And who is foolish enough to think the cops would now unless they were being forced to by public scrutiny.
    As for the leaders of BlackLivesMatter NOT condemning the murder of cops, they are not condoning it either. And when I hear police organizations publicly condemning the killing of unarmed blacks maybe then they might have a point. But all the cops do is defend their fellow officers. People want everybody to acknowledge that most cops are good and only a few are racist killers but where’s the evidence. Every single time a video surfaces it shows that the cops lied to some degree, Walter Scott, Tamir Rice, Eric Gardner, Kajieme Powell but NOT ONE SINGLE COP EVER CAME FORWARD TO TELL THE PUBLIC THAT THEIR COLLEAGUE LIED. NEVER. Heck, with Walter Scott several cops and paramedics clearly saw him plant the taser near Scott’s body, they said nothing. They are cowards and complicit in the killings themselves. ‘Evil flourishes when good men do nothing’.
    I am white and I go to Ferguson occasionally and when I do I am not afraid of the black teens walking down the street, I am afraid of the cops.
    Lastly, for crying out loud stop blaming black people for the racial diviseness in this country. We have bullied them for centuries, they finally get pissed off and people like this author blame them for racial tensions. Quite frankly, this country should be grateful the black community has had the decency not to just start a friggin civil war during some of the more obvious forms of oppression like slavery, 3/5ths of a person, denied property ownership or voting rights, or during segregation. Many, many wars have been started over much less.
    So this op-ed does ask some interesting questions but if you think this doesn’t paint the cops as good guys trying to do the right thing and BlackLivesMatter as the divisive, violent instigators then you are mistaken. THAT is why you we called a racist. You never once mentioned in this op-ed the true source of this whole problem. Cops killing unarmed black men/women. Not once. You mentioned how many officers have been killed. You mentioned the Charleston shooter and the guy who shot the reporters but never the entire reason that BlackLivesMatter exists. No wonder people are pissed off at you, I know I am.

    1. Alex Avatar
      Alex

      “Cops killing unarmed black men/women.” — Yes, and unarmed people can and do kill and seriously injure hundreds of people every day. Unarmed does not mean un-dangerous. The BLM movement has zero credibility until it gets away from making blanket statements like that one and starts recognizing that police–just like the average citizen–have a right to use deadly force to stop a reasonably perceived threat of imminent death or serious bodily harm. It has zero credibility until it stops calling for legal punishment of police officers based solely on the race of the victim without any consideration of the circumstances of the killing.

      1. JoJoViolet Avatar
        JoJoViolet

        If there are no protests. If there are no loud voices screaming for justice then there is no investigation and any semblance of truth will not be revealed. And because the police can not be trusted to tell the truth about a shooting (Kajieme Powell, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott ) then every shooting has to be protested so somebody NOT the police investigates. We currently have a system that NO AMERICAN CITIZEN should tolerate.
        cop shoots individual.
        Cops cordoned off scene.
        Cops photograph the scene and evidence.
        Cops gather the evidence.
        Cops interview the witnesses.
        Cops interview the shooter.
        Cops control what info is released to the public.
        Cops investigate themselves and the
        Cops decide if the shooting was justified.

        This is completely unacceptable and yet we have tolerated it since…forever. Our very government structure Is designed with 3 branches for the purpose of making sure no one entity has all the power. So why are we okay with a system that goes against that basic principle?

        Lastly, as far as specific cases…which case of a cop killing a black man/woman do you think was unjustified? What individual case do you feel that BlackLivesMatter supporters should be focused on?

  147. Jay Hanig Avatar
    Jay Hanig

    Bryan, remember this: If you are making a valid argument and the race card is pulled on you, it means you are on the mark. It is being used to hopefully change the subject, from whatever you’re discussing to you personally. They hope you will try to defend yourself or even better, slink away in silence, lest people think you are a bigot.

    Never give in to their bullying tactics. Those with a brain will see this for what it is and those truly anencephalic don’t really matter. Restate your point as if you hadn’t heard them and double down if you can. It makes their heads explode…. but don’t worry. you won’t get anything on you.

    Great column, by the way.

  148. mobetta Avatar
    mobetta

    You give all veterans a bad name if you are really trying to compare the difficulties encountered by a police officer in America to that faced by a Combat Infantryman in Iraq…You blame BLM for the climate THEY created…What about the police and government that have the backing of the state? Get real.

  149. clarity in thought Avatar
    clarity in thought

    Yes, black lives matter. We want all people to value their life and believe it matters. Michael Brown didn’t value his life, to him life didn’t matter. We know this because it didn’t enter into consideration in his decision making – a person who values their life will submit to an unjust arrest and fight an unfair system rather than laying down their life refusing to submit. If the situation is so horrible that people should not submit, that’s called revolution, and it will cost lots of lives.

    So the Black Lives Matter must decide – does life matter enough to accept an imperfect system while demanding change, then it’s a human rights movement, or is the situation intolerable to the point where black and other lives must be lost to change it, then it’s a revolution.

    It’s up to the movement leaders to communicate what they are. The fact that it’s still being discussed is proof that hasn’t occurred yet.

  150. TLee Avatar
    TLee

    This article is a feeble, sophomoric attempt in social discourse worthy of MySpace or a men’s bathroom stall.

  151. TLee Avatar
    TLee

    @Kalas and Jean: When you qualify your statement with “I am black,” you quickly reveal the falsity of that noble claim. Blackness is a consciousness, not a color. It is obvious in your agreement with this illogical op’ed that you, my dears, are not Black!

    1. SWalkerTTU Avatar
      SWalkerTTU

      Who gets to define Blackness? You? Blacker-than-thou much?

      The attitude you’ve shown here appears to me to deny the diversity of experience within the Black community.

  152. TLee Avatar
    TLee

    “Why did one straw break the camel’s back? Here’s the secret: the million other straws underneath it –it’s all mathematics.”

    Blaming a growing culture of hatred retribution against police on Black Lives Matter is the same blanket of racial politics used against blacks, Native anericans, Muslims, et al.: one represents the whole. One person is not indicative of the whole which is a common white supremacist patriarchal tactic to demonize folk by attributing the actions of a few to the whole. In the case of BLM, none of the violent acts described in the piece were BLM members. Even if they were, the faulty logic Statscavage uses still does not apply. I expect arguments like his from Bill O’Reilly and Fox news, not the Argus. That’s probably where he filched it from. The sheer volume of state sanctioned violence against black men women of late created a dangerous environment for all. Cops and the judiciary should be the first to check their own. Black Lives Matter indicts the idea of American democracy and equal justice under the law. The more you rail against the name and effort, the more you embarrass yourself. It is the best branding of a cause since marriage equality.

  153. Mike Brown Avatar
    Mike Brown

    Where did this BS argument come about where whenever a people whom have from the very beginning of The Republic been demonized….brutalized…..murdered…..and generally oppressed by the majority are required to passionately give a damn about the lose of life of those that are visiting such horrors upon them while showing no remorse or sign of stopping under their on volition ? Where did this nonsense start where people such as the author always need to provide a caveat that pretty much is along the lines of “Yeah….we pretty much have unjustly treated you like garbage for social and political reasons……but….you kind of deserve it and your complaints should not be taken seriously unless you ask us to stop in a manner I find acceptable” ? No…you clown….BLM does not have to apologize for the death of police officers….no matter how hard you rephrehensible conservative douche-bags wish to use such absurd pap to diminish the VERY REAL issue/message that BLM is bringing to the forfront. This nonsense has been going on for 240 years….and instead of helping your fellow human beings you do everything in your power to keep this crap going…but then….that’s the problem isn’t it….they never were seen as humans by conservatives to begin with….

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      what a whiney pant load of nonsense.

      the people murdering blacks are almost exclusively other blacks.

      1. Mike Brown Avatar
        Mike Brown

        …which has absolutely nothing to do with sworn public servants harrasing, brutalizing and murdering black people….and for the most part getting away with it. Can you understand this simple concept you fool ? Are you seriously arguing that “Hey black people….you should be totally cool with having the Police protect and serve everyone but you…..cause.. of…some other totally unrelated thing!!!!”….oh…BTW….the vast majority of people killing white people are other white people….to the tune of a rate of about 80%…..so if the police start murdering white people and getting away with it….we should be totally cool with that too….right ?

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          i agree that the police are out of control on the war on drugs.

          but there is a reason the police crack down hard in black areas (or used to, before the rioting). that’s where crime rates are highest.

          and you see what happens when they don’t. murder in Baltimore after the Freddie Gray incident has doubled since the police were cowed. crime in NYC is rising as Deblasio has pulled back from stop-and-frisk in high crime area.

          1. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            Bullshit.
            1. The police have been doing this from day 1. This isn’t something that just auto-magically happened the moment people started carrying smart phones equipped with cameras….
            2. Proportionately….the VAST majority of crime in general is committed by white people….yet…here we are….
            3. Odd how armed white suspects seem to be more often than not be taken in alive…while un-armed black people are more often than not at best have the crap beaten out of them….or murdered.
            4. Of course crime in any given area will rise when the the police refuse to do their fucking jobs….
            5. Not only do you don’t know what you are talking about….but again….you are attempting to excuse the inexcusable…..which does not surprise me in the least.

          2. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

            uh oh, pesky facts get in the way of your whiney narrative.

            Stop thugging, and clean up yourselves.

          3. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            1. The fact that you think crime increasing in urban areas when the police refuse to do their jobs is somehow novel causes me to e-lol in your face.
            2. Why you bring up #1 as if supports your position also causes me to e-lol in you face. This in fact further undermines your “point”….as not only are the Baltimore Police department a gang of criminal savages….they are also a bunch of ridiculous children.
            3. Some how…despite white people proportionately commit more crimes…..they somehow do not end up dead when confronted by police….even when armed…..how bout that?
            4. This isn’t something that just auto-magically happened when people started using smart phones…this has been going on since The American Revolution…..and black people have been telling people like you this was going on….but you decided it either didn’t exist or worth paying attention to. Now that you have video proof….you have switched to the tactic of trying to blame victims for being victimized.

          4. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            white people do NOT proportionately commit more crimes. on every category of violent crime, blacks offend at a much higher rate oer capita than whites.

            here, somebody already did the work of analyzing DoJ and NCVS data for you:

            http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/the-color-of-crime-2005/

          5. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            Actually yeah..they do….try not conflate their rate of conviction/ with their rate of crime criminally activity….oh…and that is not even remotely an authoritative source you just posted…not only is it non-authoritative…the people behind your “source” are White Nationalists. Not only do you not know what you are talking about, but you are trying to justify state sanctioned murder via some ridiculous racist organization. You are embarrassing yourself now.

          6. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            it is an indisputable fact that blacks commit more violent crime per capita than whites. Even Holder’s DoJ stats show that.

            you can spin all you want, but you can’t escape reality. For example, the murder rate in Baltimore is about 35 per 100,000 while the murder rate in rural minnesota is about 0.4 per 100,000

          7. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            You keep focusing on this as if it somehow makes it ok that unarmed black people have a nasty habit of ending up dead for the same suspected infractions that white people coincidentally do not. You keep focusing on everything except for the subject at hand. Why is that exactly? What is it about Black People getting so frustrated with this historical treatment by law enforcement and vigilantes that they feel that starting a movement is necessary for them to ask to not be murdered that causes such a visceral reaction from people like you?

          8. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            your premise is false. unarmed white people get shot by the police also.

            the subject at hand is that BLM is a distraction. It’s like the Mid-east dictators complaining about Israel to distract their people from their own abuses and problems.

          9. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            …then apparently you have not the slightest clue what my premise is…or you are willfully misconstruing it. How many times do I have to explicitly state that unarmed black people are murdered with an alarming frequency thru-out the history of the United States that any any attempt to compare the rates of these occurrences between white and black victims would be cause to call you tje delusional, racist fool that you apparently are? I noticed that you were so eager to provide a link(to a white nationalist site…instead of an actual neutral, authoritative source) to numbers when you went off on your irrelevant tangent….but for some reason you neglect to do the same here…..I would say that is odd…but it isn’t. You know full well what you are trying to do…and you have yet to directly address anything I have posted….yet I am the one attempt to “distract”. You are not only a liar, but a reprehensible person.

          10. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            You provide no facts, just emotions, and then when you lose the argument you resort to meaningless ad hominems.

            one sure way to know when one has won an argument with a liberal is when they call you a racist.

            BTW, Politifacts would be surprised to know that they are a “white nationalist” website.

            And as for “color of crime”, they get the data from DoJ and NCVS.

          11. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            I am not concerned what Poltifacts considers as they are no where near an authoritative source on anything(do you know what authoritative source means ?)…and again….you avoid my questions. I am not concerned with playing this “black on black” game with you…..and the words facts and emotions do not mean what you think they mean….and as if the entirety of the history of black people in the US…let alone the history of their interactions with police…..and the fact that every other day there is a new report replete with video of some person of color being murdered by a police or “mysteriously” dying while in custody is not enough for you….here is your evidence…from a source that is actually authoritative here is a Mother Jones article that actually has links to the sources cited…the CDC and the Burea of Justice…that pretty much back up what is already painfully obvious.

          12. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            Mother Jones is authoritative, but politifacts is not? huh.

            i never disputed that the police are sometimes out of control, especially in the war on drugs. And i believe the war on drugs unfairly criminalizes non-violent, no-victim crimes.

            But blacks focusing on that, especially rioting and justifying thug behavior because of that, is like a man with a broken leg obsessing over a hangnail and ignores that he is crippled.

            And I have zero sympathy for a movement based on a proven lie, that Mike Brown was “assassinated”. Even Eric Holder’s DoJ found that Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, although there were problems with the Ferguson PD.

          13. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            Do you read my posts before you respond? Read what I wrote again you imbecile….slowly and aloud….and not only do you lack basic research and math skills…the DOJ did not find Darren Wilson innocent of any wrong doing….there is a difference between pursuing a case due to lack evidence for disproving his testimony and declaring someone innocent…..again..you don’t know what you are talking about…..nor do you care to actually know what you are talking about…because it is not about the truth with you….and even if Darren Wilson was found innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt….it in no way answers ANY of the questions I asked you. So I will ask again……provided with the demonstrable evidence that for the past 240 years black people have been frequently and disproportionately persecuted, brutalized and murdered by those whom have sworn and protect them….do you insist on not only derisively dismissing the fact that this happens….but also their request for police to treat them as human beings with the right to due process ? Are white police officers so stupid and inherently violent that supposed “thug culture” and “riots” that you claim ALL black people have been committing enmasse for the past 240 years auto-magically cause them to shoot unarmed black people for driving infractions….being spotted going into homes they actually own….walking down the street….etc….etc ? You vicious, cowardly racist buffoon……never mind that nearly all serial killers happen to be white men….all mass shooters…again…white men….most drug users…again…white men….murderers and rapists of other white people….again…white men….but some-how….white men never seem to end up dead for the same infractions ?

          14. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            Apparently you don’t understand “innocent until proven guilty”. You also don’t seem to be able to comprehend that the “eyewitness” who claimed Brown’s hands were up was proven to be lying.

            BTW, I stop reading your whiney posts when I get to the first ad hominem.

          15. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            I don’t have to prove what is already a demonstrable fact you clown….and you still have yet to answer my questions……either because you have no answer or you do not understand the question….so let me put it this way…according to your logic….black people kill black people so black people should be fine with being unjustly and frequently harassed, persecuted, and brutalized by the police with little to no consequence….but according to the Bureau of Justice….White people killed other white people with nearly the same frequency..and that isn’t even including the fact that the biggest danger to law enforcement is actually white people…so according to your logic….law enforcement should be able to unjustly and frequently harass, persecute, brutalize and kill white people. Is this correct ? Oh…and here is that link…as I prefer to actually deal in the realm of actual facts, history that actually happened, science, et al, as opposed to making up or repeating whatever garbage I heard/read from Limbaugh/Levin/Hannity/stormfront/whatever I think will satisfy my confirmation bias: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

          16. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            A demonstrable fact is that Darren Wilson went through multiple investigations, none of which resulted in any evidence of wrongdoing on his part. The physical evidence supported his version of the event. Meanwhile, Mike Brown was on tape being a thug at a convenience store.

            as for the rest of your whiney post, I stopped reading at the first ad hominem.

          17. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            Another lie. Darren Wilson did not go through “multiple” investigations. He “suffered” an “investigation” conducted by his own department that had been found irredeemably racist and corrupt by the DOJ such that it was recommend that it be decimated and rebuilt from the ground up….he then escaped indictement via a D.A. whom all but admitted that he had no intention of carrying the case to trial. The DOJ did not engage in investigating Wilson as they claimed that had no counter evidence to prove that Wilson was lying outside of ALL the witnesses whom contradicted his ever changing BS description of what happened(i.e. they didn’t want to touch the case)…..why you keep bringing this one case up….as if it is supposed to prove something is baffling and again….you still have not answered any of my questions…..because you can’t. Explain to me…you miserable racist coward who cannot even stand behind your own argument…what exactly is “whiney” about asking public servants to stop murdering people tough guy?

          18. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            “lie”. huh. that word doesn’t mean what you think it means. From the DoJ report:

            “Based on this investigation, the Department has concluded that Darren Wilson’s actions do not constitute prosecutable violations under the applicable federal criminal civil rights statute, 18 U.S.C. § 242, which prohibits uses of deadly force that are “objectively unreasonable,” as defined by the United States Supreme Court. The evidence, when viewed as a whole, does not support the conclusion that Wilson’s uses of deadly force were “objectively unreasonable” under the Supreme Court’s definition. Accordingly, under the governing federal law and relevant standards set forth in the USAM, it is not appropriate to present this matter to a federal grand jury for indictment, and it should therefore be closed without prosecution.”

            As for your question, why don’t you put it up front in your whiney posts?

            all you do is whine and call me “rayciss” like a crybaby.

          19. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            “Lie” as in you willfully assreted something you knew is not the truth. 1 BS investigation by a police department reknown for it’s rampant racism and protecting their own, and 1 investigation by the DOJ that did not move pass discovery does not reasonably constitute multitude of impartial investigations….liar…..and again….You have not answered my questions with anything more than nonsense that at best is tangentially related….all we have thus far established is that you are a racist, a coward, liar, and incapable of arguing your posistion past :”You are sooooo whiney” and “We are talking about A…so let me insert B” . Again…please answer my question(s) with direct answers. Let’s start with the last one I asked : “Explain to me…you miserable racist coward who cannot even stand behind your own argument…what exactly is “whiney” about asking public servants to stop murdering people tough guy?”

          20. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            so you don’t like the PD’s investigation, even though they released all of the evidence. You also don’t like Obama administration’s DoJ’s investigation. I noted actual investigstions, and your response is to call me a “liar”, and substitute your own half-assed opinions as “facts”. I stand behind my argument with facts and statistics. You don’t even have an argument, just a bunch of histrionics.

            As for your question, there is nothing wrong with asking public servants to obey the law, to be held to a higher standard, and to not abuse people or use excessive force. I am all in favor of rethinking the “war in drugs”, diverting low-level drug offenders to rehab, descalation training and body cameras for the police, ndependent reviews of uses of force, stopping civl asset forfeituree, and making no-knock raids restricted to life-or-death situations.

            But unfortunately for you whiney crybabies, there is NO evidence that Wilson did anything wrong, NO evidence that Mike Brown was a victim, and unimpeachable evidence that Mike Brown was a thug. Furthermore, rioting, looting, fist-fighting over who gets to sell mike brown t-shirts, and murdering each other like flies is a stupid and incompetent way to “ask public servants” to “stop murdering people”. The fact that black thugs kill, assault, and abuse many times more blacks than the police do kinda makes you look stupid.

          21. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            Again….why are you fixating on Darren Wilson’s case? This is not about Darren Wilson…nor does BLM rest solely on what Darren Wilson did or did not do….so with that being said…any more mention of this canard or any other such as “well…you know…Black people are thugs!!!…and Chicago!” Will be ignored for the irrelevant non-sequitors they are….now…back to the subject at hand…..so…now all of a sudden you don’t have an issue with BLM’s message….why all of as sudden are you furiously back-pedalling? Oh wait…you not only are you back-pedalling…but you are also simultaneous still attempting to make the same racist argument as before: “Yeah….even though I posted earlier that asking not be murdered by police is ‘whiney'(you know…cause being an keyboard warrior I would know…) I have no problem with that….but something something about black on black crime…so yeah…you should totally should not be complaining about public servants that are paid with your tax dollars specifically targeting people whom look like you for persecution, brutalization and summary execution cause of some totally unrelated issue” Not only are you a laughably racist clown that took nearly 4 days to answer a simple question, but logic is not something you are terribly familiar with either.

          22. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            Don’t ask me. Ask why is BLM fixated on Mike Brown.

            And everytime you whine about racism I know I have won the debate.

          23. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            If by “And everytime you whine about racism I know I have won the debate” you mean you are desperately grasping at straws as all you have offered for the past few days is nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with BLM or what they fighting for…then sure you silly, racist little child….you are totally owning me. I shouldn’t be suprised though….the standard routine for the racist right is to in this order:
            1. Deny institutional racism exists…cause black/brown people have had such an awesome ride in the US……
            2. When #1 doesn’t work….dismiss black/brown people as not fully human and deserving of the same rights, access to resources, etc that white people have always enjoyed…this usually comes in the form of : “Yeah…I can’t deny the obvious….but you sort of deserve being treated as less than human….because of some ridiculous reason that I would never accept if the situation was reversed……because I am a pathetic, racist clown….”

            See how that works ? White people fighting what they consider “injustice” committed against them is patriotic, and to be expected….black/brown people asking to not be murdered with impunity like they have been since the beginning of The Republic….well…that’s just “whining”….you know…like all the “whining” that was going in the 1960s…..because there is nothing worse than minorities not knowing their place in society.

          24. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            there’s no backpedalling. i have long advocated reigning in poliice excesses. my view has nothing to do with BLM. in fact, BLM’s BS makes me want to cut the police some slack.

            as for “desperate”, i don’t give a shiite what you think. i just lay out the FACTS. you can continue to be whiney, histrionic, and your own worst enemy, or you can deal with YOUR problems.

          25. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            No…that is exactly what you did….perhaps a quick summary of what you have posted up to date is in order as your memory seems to be as broken as your understanding of logic and general empathy for your fellow human beings

            1. So what cops regularly and disproportionately find themselves at best harassed and at worst dead during interactions with black and brown people that somehow white people by and large do not find themselves harassed and or dead in….and any protest of such is merely “whining”
            2. Unfortunately I am receiving push back for this utter nonsense despite posting in a thread populated by conservatives….so let me keep mouthing off from the safety of my key-board about minority communities having the audacity to demand to be treated as human beings…I will keep calling them whiny and will try in vain to change the subject to “black on black violence”….hopefully this guy is dumb enough to fall for such a ridiculous and transparent ploy…because the garbage I previously posted is unjustifiable, I and know it.

            3. Ok…he is not falling for it…despite the fact I have been trying really hard to evade having to directly answer his questions/assertions by changing the subject with non-sequitors…..so let me see if offering that I acknowledge that the police are out of control…but avoid admitting the painfully obvious that there is and has been a historical racial component to any of this…via the tired retort that acknowledging obvious racism is somehow “whiney”……..other wise known as a back pedal…..

            4. Again…you haven’t a clue what the word “facts” means….please stop using that word until you do.

            5. BLM somehow makes you want to cut a corrupt, murderous police officers that are blatantly in the wrong some slack……but you are not racist. Right….makes total sense. If, gods forbid that you find yourself or some member of your family being subjected to something similar all these victims of law enforcement have experienced….I wonder what would be your reaction if someone told you that because you have the audacity to complain about inhuman treatment of you or your family by public servants in a way they don’t like….that the cops should maybe get a pass?

            Your a terrible…reprehensible individual…but then again…you already knew that…hence your reluctance the past 3/4 days to address anything that I posted directly.

          26. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            who are you trying to convince? yourself?

            I have never changed the subject. Summaryof my position: cops need to be reigned in. but the biggest threat to blacks is their own behavior, and they whine a lot about how everything is somebody else’s fault.

            that’s it.

          27. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            You attempting to switch subjects from why exactly BLM and by extension black people are being “whiney” for asking not be murdered to “well….what about black on black on black crime…hurrrr hurrr….black thugs” to then “Well yeah…the police are out of control…but there is nothing racial about it…despite demonstrable evidence there is…and saying otherwise is whiney…and histrionics…and well…you and I both now I got nothing…” is a direct and fairly simple example of changing the subject…multiple times…

          28. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            it’s whiney and histrionic to riot, loot, and to chant “hands up don’t shoot” in support of “mike brown” when he did NOT have his hands up. It’s whiney to only care about black lives when you think you can blame someone else. it’s whiney to complain about racism when you are your own worst enemy.

            got it now?

          29. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            yeah…except for a few things…
            1. BLM does is not encompassed by Mike Brown…but for some reason it fixating on it…because it is all a cartoonish racist clown who has painted himself into a corner with his cartoonish racist comments….but feels compelled to continue because he is cartoonish…racist clown…
            2. Every witness in that case…..including two white contractors whom did not live in Ferguson all testified that Wilson’s every changing story of what happened was a damned lie….but why believe them….a white copy with a history of brutalaity and being a liar from a police force known to be racists and liars told us something so it must be true
            3. BLM started long before the case of Mike Brown
            4. BLM has for the most part not been involved in any rioting….again…either you are woefully misinformed or you are a liar
            5. I noticed how you only seem to want to talk about Mike Brown….when every other week there is a story usually replete with video with some cop doing exactly what BLM accuses them of….oh wait…now I know why you only wish to talk about Darren Wilson and only Darren Wilson…
            6. Oh…my name actually is Mike Brown you idiot….the name is actually pretty common.

          30. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            you are a broken record. you apparently think that calling someone a racist bolsters your argument. it does not. it just means you can’t actually formulate a worthy argument.

            i didn’t start fixating on mike brown, BLM did. BLM held up signs saying “hands up don’t shoot”. BLM has a mike brown page on their website. be careful who you choose for a mascot or rallying cry.

            i like how you dissemble and say BLM wasn’t involved in rioting “for the most part”. Yeah, except for the riots in ferguson and baltimore which injured and destroyed the property of innocent people. And don’t forget the crowds chanting “what do we want? dead cops!” in NYC. Or Ismaaiyl Brinsley who shot two NYPD officers sitting in their cop car, who attended BLM marches prior to the shooting.

            As for your claim about witnesses, your major problem is that Obama’s DoJ clearly determined that “Wilson Did Not Violate Brown’s Constitutional Right To Be Free From Unreasonable Force”. In other words, he was justified in shooting Brown. You can throw out irrelevent nonsense all you want about how someone on a talk show or whatever said this or that, but it doesn’t change the FACTS.

          31. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            I know….it kind of sucks being reminded time and time again that:
            1. You really don’t know what the words facts, research, et al really mean….but you keep insisting on using them
            2. Your a liar…like must conservatives…but that’s to be expected
            3. You are a coward…like must conservatives….you accuse me of being a “broken record”…yet you keep harping on this whole “whiney” thing….projection is something you excel at…like most conservatives…like all racists…you accuse others of which you are guilty..but then…that’s to be expected. In case you didn’t know…..the fact you conscider it “whiney” for black people to literally ask people whom are supposed to be protecting them to not murder says volumes about that yellow streak running down your back.
            4. Hell yeah I am a broken record you buffoon…unlike you I have no need or desire to misdirect and change subjects…..because I am right…you know I am right…and just like the pathetic throwback you are….you will lose…history says as much.

          32. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            you’re pretty good at making stuff up. you also really enjoy ad hominems, but you aren’t good at it – yours aren’t clever or entertaining, just lame. Essentially, your argument boils down to “you are racist, waaaah”.

            you are a liar and a fraud. you ignore the indisputable FACTS that blacks are by far the biggest threats to blacks, that blacks are a bigger threat to each other than the police, that blacks commit violent crime disproportionately, and that Mike Brown was justifiably shot by Darren Wilson. I already know what your attempted reposte will be: “waah, waah racist!”

            I don’t need anything from you. You need something from me. Earn it.

          33. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            BTW, you don’t have to rely on convictions. Statistics show that in America, 91% of black murder victims are killed by blacks, and blacks are 8 times more likely to be murdered than whites.

            Even liberals acknowledge these facts.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

          34. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            and finally, the statistics usually lump white and hispanics together. Even so, the claim that whites are arrested more for violent crime isn’t correct.

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

            Scroll down and you will find that blacks commit way more murder per capita.

      2. Mike Brown Avatar
        Mike Brown

        Oh…and nice try at misdirection….but no cigar. Try directly addressing my post next time….oh wait…you pretty much couldn’t do that without giving up the game…now could you?

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          i did directly address your post. it’s whiney, histrionic nonsense.

          1. Mike Brown Avatar
            Mike Brown

            …sure…that’s the reason……or alternatively you failed to directly address the points in my original post…because you are unable to without admitting that you are attempting to justify historic police brutality against people of color. You are not nearly as clever as you would like to believe yourself to be…..so you can drop the “I think this is what erudite people sound like” schtick.

  154. pjamese3 Avatar
    pjamese3

    I’m black and I really like this article. I appreciate the articulate discourse as opposed to resorting to hyperbole and the fair and reasoned look at the Black Lives Matter movement. They are falling down as far as controlling their message. There may be no central headquarters, but there’s certainly local leaders who should be slapping down protesters who start endorsing violence against police officers. There are local members who should turn in members of a protest who are rioting, destroying private or government property and looting. They can’t all be outside instigators.

    The Black Lives Matter movement needs to control its message before they lose control completely and the American people just see the protesters advocating violence, causing destruction and tearing people apart instead of bringing them together.

  155. Mendog Avatar
    Mendog

    Well done Bryan! The BLM has serious issues. Thank you for highlighting some of them.

  156. mz Avatar
    mz

    My main beef with the BLM movement is their lynch mob mentality. Michael Brown is a perfect case in point. From day one the mobs decided Michael Brown *must* be an innocent kid, shot for no reason at all, by an evil, racist, cop. Any evidence to the contrary is ignored. The mob in the street is the judge and jury. Their decision is final. Screw the evidence. Screw due process. Screw the findings of the grand jury. Let’s burn down some businesses.

    And *that* is why the movement will get no respect from the quiet majority of law abiding people.

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      Exactly. Blacks have some legitimate grievences, particularly IMO with the war on drugs criminalizing non-violent, minir offendors. But they rally around violent thugs such as Mike Brown, they riot, the family has fistfights over who gets to sell “mike brown” t-shirts, and they ignore the elephant in the room that the vast majority of black murder vicitms are killed by blacks – and at a much higher rate per capita than any other group in America.

  157. T.Lee Avatar
    T.Lee

    @Mz you should think twice before posting your thoughts.You sound simple. You know the kind of “simple” that was used for dim wits in the 30s.
    1.No one can ever accuse blacks in America of a lynch mob mentality. That’s White behavior. We never had the power or psychopathology.

    2. BLM was an outgrowth of Mike Brown’s assisination. It did not precede it. There’s no evidence of the cop’s bigotry, but recent federal review revealedthe whole force needed a douche.

    3. Yes, screw the process. It’s tilted toward White ways of being: the judge and grand jury were White, the police chief was White, the cop’s treatening to kill protesters peacefully marching in the streets were White, the stores burning down were owned by more Whites in an all black town.

    If we switched this whole scenario and exchanged White for Black in terms of the players, what would be the White response?

    1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
      Voice_of_Reason

      Even Eric Holder’s DoJ found that Darren Wilson did nothing wrong.

      Mike Brown was shot as he assaulted an officer and tried to take his gun. BLM is based on a lie. BLM should have used a different case.

      But no amount of facts will persuade whiney, histrionic BLM supporters.

      1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
        The Big City of Dreams

        “BLM should have used a different case.”

        What case do you think they should have used?

        1. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
          Voice_of_Reason

          Walter Scott. clear cut, not debatable example of horrible police murder.

          1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            Walter Scott’s name has been mentioned and chanted as well. Did you want them to wait around for a case like Scott to occur?

          2. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
            Voice_of_Reason

            Having fistfights over who gets to profit from selling Mike brown t-shirts sure doesn’t help get sympathy for the cause. There are better cases, you asked for one, I gave you one.

          3. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
            The Big City of Dreams

            “Having fistfights over who gets to profit from selling Mike brown t-shirts sure doesn’t help get sympathy for the cause. ”

            A 18 year teenager was shot in the street. I think that is more tan enough sympathy. But a number of these cases flow into each other. Situations like this go all the way back to Amadou Diallo. I ask again should they have sit and waited for the perfect situation?

    2. mz Avatar
      mz

      Well if the term lynch mob is forbidden, what is the PC term for a hate filled mob that declares a man guilty of “assassination” with no investigation, no due process, no trial, no possibility of a defense, no possibility of an appeal, and an absolute refusal to consider any evidence whatsoever that would clear the man?

  158. unclesmrgol Avatar

    Those who want to shut down this newspaper are exactly the kinds of people about which the author was speaking. They are the extremists — the people who do not want to have a conversation with anyone — the people who will resort to violence to achieve their goals. I’m hoping that the student body will stand up for free discourse. If you don’t like what the author wrote, write a rebuttal, and do it well enough to get it published. That’s how a college ought to work — not doing the trigger alert thing or the destroy property thing.

  159. Voice_of_Reason Avatar
    Voice_of_Reason

    Eric Holder’s DoJ found that Darren Wilson did nothing wrong, although they found problems elsewhere in the ferguson PD.

    Mike Brown was shot as he assaulted an officer and tried to take his gun. BLM is based on a lie. BLM should have used a different case.

    But no amount of facts will persuade whiney, histrionic BLM supporters. This is why so many people are disgusted by BLM: they cannonize a violent thug who was shot while assualting a police officers, whose family got into a fistfight over who got to sell “Mike Brown” t-shirts, they ignore the fact that the vast majority of black murder civtims are shot by other blacks, and they chant threats against the police.

    I would think that a legitimate movement should have rallied around someone more worthy than Mike Brown.

    1. The Big City of Dreams Avatar
      The Big City of Dreams

      The movement is than just about Mike Brown which is why it has grown as it has over the past year and months.

  160. DEJones Avatar
    DEJones

    As an OFWG (Old Fat White Guy) class of 1972 I wonder. Concerning Gay marriage and leaving the court’s ruling in place I have a few questions that seem to have been missed, ignored of deemed unimportant in this discussion.
    THE RULES WERE CHANGED by the court after the clerk was elected to office. Is it fair to force her to actions that were not required when she stood for office? Would it not be more fair to the clerk to hold those new rules in abeyance until she stands for and wins re-election? Since the question involves a basic right of the republic,ie freedom of religion, should it not be put off until the electorate confirms the court’s ruling.
    I am tired of having minority views shoved down my throat by an out of control court.

    1. SWalkerTTU Avatar
      SWalkerTTU

      This is a republic of laws. You don’t have to like all of them, but you do have to live with them. Mrs. Davis oath would have been to uphold the constitution and laws of the Commonwealth of Kentucky and of the United States. She should have known that those were subject to change within her term of office and should have been prepared to do exactly as her oath required while still in office.

  161. ron556 Avatar
    ron556

    Well-written and advantageous. Excellent insight on a very hot button. It’s too bad your editors-in-chief feel the need to backpedal and throw you under the proverbial bus. Listen: The KKK has every right to parade down the street, thanks to the First Amendment. We don’t have to like it, but the First Amendment is a UNIVERSAL right. To pick and choose what is “acceptable” because of political “correctness” is tantamount to censorship in the worst way. Keep writing, Steve, and thank you for your service. Everyone who is “offended” by this piece and is screaming bloody murder needs to remedial course in the U.S. Constitution.

  162. james Avatar
    james

    First of all let me say i don’t agree with B.L.M. i think all lives matter i have read several of the comments and i can find things that i agree with and disagree with . 1. You started talking about the revolutionary war people of all races fought in that war and every war sense. I never understood slavery but one way and that was the people that were too lazy to work themselves and too cheap to pay labor . 2. Every where we fought was for freedom if not for the U.S. for other counties . 3. Most of us had racism pounded in our heads by parents grandparents and others in all races and that is the worst thing they could do. 4 We are suppose to learn from our history so we don’t make the same mistakes but when we carry hatred in our hearts we will only loose. 5 The day that we are not willing to stand side by side and say all lives matter all freedom matters then we have become less than human. 5 People of all races have been killed by cops so i have to admit something has to be done to protect us all cops included. I think body cameras are a great ideal except they should not be able to turn them off or pass a law that they must be on every time they come in contact with a citizen we must have cops and everyone knows that so rioting and destroying property and killing cops is not the answer and the only way we will find the answer is to stand together and understand we all want the same thing and that’s honest government , honest justice system . That is our true fight not with each other only the people can make change , but we must change first or become slaves to a corrupt system and slaves to hatred . We can’t change nothing if we don’t change and learn we depend on each other its up to us .

  163. Steven A Avatar
    Steven A

    Wow, this a poorly written article. This kid would have failed freshmen writing at my school. The author and editor of the school paper should be ashamed. Is this really the best that this college has to offer? No wonder why there isn’t an intelligent written rebuttal.

  164. TstormVA Avatar
    TstormVA

    Why and how can Black Lives Matter organization be responsible for every issue and every person? The focus on police brutality and deaths that go unpunished. The NRA is a single focused organization.

    1. Emiliano Avatar
      Emiliano

      Well said, and very acute perception.

  165. Black Guy That Wants to Help Avatar
    Black Guy That Wants to Help

    So I’m a black guy. I think this was a well written article and it sounds like you truly want answers to the questions you’re asking. However you are missing some key things.

    For example, BLM is not completely decentralized. There is a main root for the movement that denounced the “fry like bacon” ‘protesting.’

    Secondly, a man who tapes on a bodycam and murders two reporters is no more representative of BLM than a terrorist who slaughters people in the name of Islam is representative of Islam. He has severe mental issues as well with a gross misunderstanding of the movement if he is able to convince himself that his actions are okay and justified.

    Thirdly, the group is not against police, as has been explained many times. It is against police brutality, a symptom of the larger issue, systemic racism, prevalent within many/all governmental architecture. Simply put, BLM really doesn’t like bad cops. And bad cops are taking lives with no legal or moral justification. Continually. Almost weekly. Their displeasure, to understate the sentiment, is strong with bad cops, and bad cops, while not the majority in the force, are too significant in number and actions to be ignored.

    So in response to your statement, “It boils down to this for me: If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message, then I will not support the movement, I cannot support the movement.” I would say you fundamentally don’t understand the movement. You have marked a movement pressing for racial equality as a movement responsible for unjustifiable evils. Thereby, in the reader’s mind, you have equated the fight for racial equality with evil. And I assume that is where the backlash is stemming from.

    Like I said before, you seem to really want to understand the movement, but you also seem to think you already do. And in that vein, I would press you to do more research, both from a liberal and conservative standpoint, but also from a purely fact based standpoint, which will eliminate a lot of bias. Look up statistics for police interactions with people of color (from reputable sources of course). The numbers will frighten you. Personally, I don’t need numbers. I have experience.

    Best wishes. I hope someone is willing to sit down and have a discussion with you about this and not just shoot you down. Because if your intention is to understand the cause and validity of its position, you deserve that discussion and not just a downpour of hate mail.

    1. Emiliano Avatar
      Emiliano

      You’re enabling this type of racism when you entertain the idea that this young man, a STAFF WRITER, is not educationally equipped to understand what the BLM movement is all about. He knows what it is (and this is why real intellectuals attack him) but being the conservative, whatever he is, continues to try and make us believe that he’s a doe in the headlights when the reality is he knows exactly what people he is catering to and what message he intends to pass off.

      So don’t be easily fooled because today’s racist are nothing like yesterdays, Black guy, and maybe its time for you to sit down and have a discussion with someone that knows.

  166. Emiliano Avatar
    Emiliano

    Actually, The white guy killed in the name of racism (Confederate flag) and the black guy killed because of perceived racism. Two entirely different things.

    I bet this guy would equate the Black Panther Party to the KKK. Revisionist history cracks me up. XD

    1. Politically Incorrect Avatar
      Politically Incorrect

      Well I got time to troll…the black panthers are a racist hate organization…just like the kkk…

  167.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I don’t see anything Racist about this article. Prior to my reading this, the fact that a group labelled it Racist nearly stopped me from reading it. So is the modern day tossing around of the word “racist” simply meant to shutter dissenting ideas. We need to understand the severity of labeling people “racist” and not use that word so loosely, which appears to be what people like to do these days. And perhaps is planned and there’s an agenda.

    1. Emiliano Avatar
      Emiliano

      I think because he is unable to even understand the BLM movement even minutely, then think, because of his white privilege, that he can express that opinion even as ignorant as it turned out to be, then maybe black people, tired of revisionist history just labeled him what he is… an ignorant racist.

  168. cev12 Avatar
    cev12

    Um… I consider myself leftist, and I don’t see how this article is racist. Pacifist to some degree, maybe?
    I do disagree about the number of extremists being equal in Black Lives Matter and the Police– meaning that I’ve witnessed far too many crooked, power-hungry cops in my life; this problem with the police appears systemic, and is a larger problem than is addressed by Black Lives Matter. Unfortunately, I think that Black Lives Matter is misdirected in focusing solely on mistreatment of blacks by police, and that to really address the problem, the movement should expand to address police and judicial corruption overall (which, primarily, is an issue about wealth, or, really, the lack thereof).

  169. Houran C Avatar
    Houran C

    You’re entire premise is off though… You claim that BLM is perhaps using a “few bad apples” among police departments to stereotype all police.

    But that is NOT what’s actually happening! There is a fundamental problem that is systemic in the way that policing is working in America – there is inherent underlying racism in the way police departments everywhere treat black people, particularly young black men.

    Look at the study of how much quicker police officers shot at black people in simulated video games designed to find just this kind of bias. Look at the countless studies showing how often black people are pulled over vs. white people… the statistics around being stopped, being arrested, being charged, being convicted, being imprisoned if you’re black vs. white. Get stopped with marijuana if you’re black vs. white and you’ll see the difference in your treatment through the system in startling numbers! Just look at the studies around mass incarceration and how race is factoring into that decades old problem! This is a system that’s broken, now a few bad officers!

    Your biased, privileged, white world view allows you to think that BLM is being motivated by stereotypes against a “few bad apples”. That is beyond niave! It’s downright BLIND! And your entire argument is based on that premise. I can’t believe anyone took your viewpoint seriously enough to publish it, since it would be comical if it wasn’t so tragically ignorant.

  170. Jeff Gonzalez Avatar
    Jeff Gonzalez

    It is a well written op-ed. It asks questions that need to
    be asked of all groups. Although I suspect I may not agree with the writer on
    many issues, I do feel would could discuss things, not from a left or right
    point of view but as people who have ideas on how to make our country better
    not just for ourselves but for everyone. We need to get away from labeling and
    vilifying each other so we ask the tough questions so we can work together.

  171. CJAS Avatar
    CJAS

    His thesis is that the blacks who protest white supremacist murders are responsible for any crime committed by anyone anywhere who is black because they protested. Yeah, that makes sense.

  172. tonertee Avatar
    tonertee

    I am beige and this article misses two points. Stealing is against the law.
    Marriage between the same sex will not work because replenishing the earth is impossible for them.

    tony

    1. SWalkerTTU Avatar
      SWalkerTTU

      Same-sex bonding works among other social animals because it reduces breeding pairs without reducing the number of carers.

  173. Tim DeWeaver Avatar
    Tim DeWeaver

    It’s one sided. Numbers don’t lie. The police have been killing minorities for decades. You say 7 police officers died in the line of duty? I’m regretfully inform you that the key phrase is that they signed up knowing the possibility of dying. Go look at all the people that have been killed, executed, beaten, and violated by “PEACE” officers in just 2015 alone and the problem is that when an officer is killed it gets all the coverage and attention. A citizens rights get violated by the police sworn to protect their rights or executed in the street handcuffed and the officer likely walks no charges. Please put your thesis or whatever you call it into perspective with data and numbers rather than a biased opinion. Blacks and whites or anyone asserting your rights can be victimized. Do we all agree that it is cowardly to attack women children and especially pregnant women. This has been going on for decades and is still prevalent here in 2015. Comparing a black person’s experience to a police officer is like comparing a snowball to an avalanche… Go watch them beat us and kill us in black and white (historical documentaries) and then understand that the government paid Martin Luther King Jr’s family admitting guilt in his murder.

    1. Leroy Gardner Avatar
      Leroy Gardner

      “I’m regretfully inform you that the key phrase is that they signed up knowing the possibility of dying.”

      Sorry, but I couldn’t help but go to this with the above comment.

      https://youtu.be/_516ml5ImGU

  174. Julie Hanson Avatar
    Julie Hanson

    I am a “liberal”, though I prefer to be called “progressive”. I think this is an article that makes excellent points. I don’t see why he was called a racist for writing it, either. Are we so politically correct in this country now that we can’t disagree with the “Black Lives Matter” movement for fear of being labeled as a racist? That’s ridiculous.

    1. SWalkerTTU Avatar
      SWalkerTTU

      It’s the new orthodoxy.

  175. BrokenArrow Avatar
    BrokenArrow

    Still scrounging for your 15 minutes, eh? It’s up, Stascavage.

  176. Clear Thinker Avatar
    Clear Thinker

    1045 anyone know the significance of this number? Beuler………..Beuler???? It is a fun number, it is the number of black men killed by other black men from the time of the death of trayvon martin to the death of the gentle strangler Brown, in America. There are more numbers like this in America, but no one wants to know them. Maybe a little stroll in the crappier parts of Chicago, Birmingham, Memphis, may make this more clear.

  177. mdsman Avatar
    mdsman

    Is it true that your Student Assembly cut the papers funding by over 50%?
    Is the Student Body not outraged by this?
    Have you all gone so far that you are unable to see the danger in allowing this?

  178. Ryan Smith Avatar
    Ryan Smith

    Pro Gay marriage by court fiat? Defending BLM? Advocating for college education as a new constitutional right? Pro-choice? You’re conservative about *what*, and compared to *whom*? Count up how many times you’ve had to say “It may surprise you to hear this from a conservative” before presenting an idea. Get enough of them, and “It may surprise you to hear I bother to call myself a conservative” becomes more accurate.

    Did the Wesleyian need a token conservative to pat themselves on the back for diversity or something?

  179. carlito brigante Avatar
    carlito brigante

    Great article and spot on. I wish I would have gotten to this sooner. I hope the author stands strong in the face of censorship and bigotry. Two of my colleagues who were serving a predominantly black Brooklyn community were gunned down in a cowardly ambush by a BLM sympathizer. The murderer had video on his cell phone of his attendance at a BLM movement. BLM fanatics were also chanting “What do we want – Dead Cops” a week before the coward murdered my colleagues. There is a great dissonance between the real problems that confront black America and BLM “movement.” The real problems are having children out of wedlock, substandard education/housing in black neighborhoods, poverty, and black on black brutality/violence. Unfortunately, movements like these empower fanatics to commit acts of violence and fail to address core problems that can actually change black lives. It’s a shame my two colleagues had to die at the hands of such filth.

  180. Steven Riley Avatar
    Steven Riley

    “Is it worth another riot that destroys a downtown district?” Ha! You ask that as if the leaders will be the ones suffering. Are the leaders of BLM at Wesleyan living in the Hood? I think not. They’ll tut tut from their AA History Departments about how the riots are another response to white oppression. THEY won’t be the ones getting their homes or businesses burned down. THEY won’t be the ones unable to get their medicine or groceries because those businesses have been destroyed. THEY won’t suffer, so THEY won’t care. THEY will continue to use the suffering of the poor to advance their funding. Then they will sit in their big house and cry oppression.

  181. Renaissance Avatar
    Renaissance

    Thank you for being brave enough to speak the truth. The fact that your paper has been defunded as a result speaks volumes about your classmates who clearly don’t understand the First Amendment.

  182. TeflonDon Avatar
    TeflonDon

    Wow. The left is totally shameless in their attempts to suppress any dissenting opinions. Maybe you should rename it the Wesleyan Pravda to pacify them

  183. James S. Olson Avatar
    James S. Olson

    As a graduate of Wesleyan — a fantastic university with the highest of
    standards and the brightest of students and faculty –, I am appalled to
    read that, because of an Argus Op-Ed article raising questions about
    the impact of Black Lives Matter, the student government is proposing to
    cut funding for the student newspaper. Wesleyan has always been a very
    liberal campus, but this is an example where the prevailing liberalism
    is trying to stifle discussion and dissent rather than encourage it.
    Wesleyan should be ashamed of itself, especially since the article in
    question was by any normal standards moderate and respectful of all
    views, and in no way derogatory, extreme, or by any sane definition,
    racist.

    President Roth, a staunch proponent of liberal education, and the Wesleyan student body should know better than to confuse “liberal” with “Liberal” or treat questioning or dissent with intolerance, much less sanctions.

    There are cycles in politics and political thought, and the reigning “zeitgeist” for too long has been PC, sometimes extreme PC. People in general have had enough of this: like the ’70’s movie “Network”, the American people, who by and large believe in common sense, have had enough and are not going to take it any more: hence Donald Trump’s poll numbers.

    The kind of Liberalism demonstrated here does not do liberalism any good.

  184. Alumnus Curmudgeon Avatar
    Alumnus Curmudgeon

    The Washington Post’s Katherine Rampell has written an excellent piece about the uproar on the Wesleyan Univ campus following publication of this opinion piece in your student newspaper. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/free-speech-is-flunking-out-on-college-campuses/2015/10/22/124e7cd2-78f5-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html

  185. Katlin Cross Avatar
    Katlin Cross

    I don’t see one thing wrong with this article. Why was an apology necessary?

  186. pbinCA Avatar
    pbinCA

    The Wesleyan Argus is a valuable voice for allowing nuanced, reasoned opinion to be published. The national TV media, in my opinion, are to blame for latching onto a “narrative” of white cops brutalizing young black men. This stance, once adopted, self-censors counter-narrative news stories and events, specifically, the national TV media consider unworthy of publication any interactions between police and young black men that go smoothly, even though these way outnumber the ones that go bad. If you’re a young black man who watches TV, you are brainwashed by the selective, “conflict amplified” news coverage into feeling very fearful in an encounter with police. This paranoia is picked up by the police officer, and makes the encounter go worse than if the assumption was to be treated professionally. The media takes no responsibility for the slanting of news to come off as sensational, and the consequent warping of perceptions. If journalists would just indicate how rare or unlikely a highly-charged situation is, it would send a calming message and help people to go around with a realistic expectations, not gut-churning paranoia. But, the media chokes on the concept of presenting a realistic model….it undermines theatrical value. This is the dilemma we face with a free press. Who among those who “cover the news” will take responsibility for spreading panic as “collateral damage” for attracting eyeballs?

  187. BRdirtysouth Avatar
    BRdirtysouth

    Not sure this article is worth vilifying. Nor do I have a problem with students using their free speech to challenge another’s. This is America. Free speech ain’t absolute and in a democracy (and college campuses are FAR from democracies) we should be open to vigorous debate and the utilization of all of the tools that come along with that–protest, boycotts, and yes, civil disobedience.

    What’s most troubling about this column is the spurious notion that a social movement predicated on ending police brutality and the killings of unarmed (mostly black) citizens has created an environment where self-avowed racists kill innocent people and police officers are assassinated.

    Also troubling is the false equivalence between police assassinations/killed in action and police killings of unarmed citizens. While certainly horrific and chilling, the danger that comes with being a cop is well understood by officers, their families, and the citizens who pay their salaries. They do a tough and dangerous job with huge responsibility and as such are afforded different set of rules than your average Joe. On the other hand, unarmed citizens should have no expectation or fear that they will be gunned down by those sworn to protect and serve. It says something about our society when we choose not confront this head-on–and that is the conversation that BLM is forcing us to have. What are the ways or mechanisms in our laws, our practices, or within ourselves that create conditions for these killings to occur. How should we hold our police forces and our politicians accountable?

    The author states: “If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message, then I will not support the movement, I cannot support the movement.” Well BLM and its supporters have been unequivocal: “We can live in a world where the police don’t kill people by limiting police interventions, improving community interactions, and ensuring accountability.” One would be hard-pressed to find denigration of police in this message. And it seems the author would agree with that statement of principle. I would suggest that the author stop looking for/creating reasons to not support BLM and recognize/identify with the deep moral conviction that undergirds the movement.

    1. Alex Avatar
      Alex

      “One would be hard-pressed to find denigration of police in this message” — Unfortunately, that is not the loudest message being broadcast by the BLM movement. And that is the point of this column–that the violent anti-police messages are being heard much louder than anything else and are possibly–from the author’s point of view–making the situation worse.

      “unarmed citizens should have no expectation or fear that they will be gunned down by those sworn to protect and serve” — Unarmed does not mean un-dangerous. Unarmed people seriously injure and kill thousands of people every year. The “unarmed” argument is simply rhetoric and does not reflect reality.

      1. BRdirtysouth Avatar
        BRdirtysouth

        “And that is the point of this column–that the violent anti-police messages are being heard much louder than anything else and are possibly–from the author’s point of view–making the situation worse.” This is more than unfair–the notion that BLM is responsible for how some folks what to perceive their message is ridiculous. There is bi-partisan consensus that criminal justice reform needed precisely b/c there is systemic racial discrimination it how rules/laws/practices are promulgated. That others choose to hear hate versus truth speaks more about them than BLM.

        “Unarmed does not mean un-dangerous.” – This may be true in some cases, but police officers are in fact held to higher standards than you and me. The burden for self-defense for ordinary citizens is by law lower than what would required for use of deadly for by police officers. And yet, time and time again–Tamir Rice Eric Garner, etc. these laws are “interpreted” and “enforced” in ways that show that black lives do not matter.

        1. Alex Avatar
          Alex

          “the notion that BLM is responsible for how some folks what to perceive their message is ridiculous” — First, there is little ambiguity in the BLM message when they chant about wanting dead cops, wanting cops to “fry like bacon”, “F*(& the police”, and other things. Granted that’s not their *entire* message, but a significant number of BLM protests have included such chants and sentiments. So how BLM want people to *perceive* the message is pretty clear, in my opinion.

          Second, how other people *respond*–not perceive, which is an emotional or intellectual act, but respond, which is a physical act–to that message is not something that the BLM folks can or should be held legally accountable for. That’s basic free speech. Unless they are calling for imminent lawless action or expressing a true threat, their violent and counter-productive rhetoric is protected speech.

          “The burden for self-defense for ordinary citizens is by law lower than what would required for use of deadly for by police officers” – Wrong. Police officers have the same right to use deadly force to prevent a real or reasonably perceived threat of imminent serious bodily harm or death. Tamir Rice was a classic case of basic self-defense. Eric Garner does not involve a self-defense claim; he resisted arrest and subsequent physical exertion likely caused the heart attack that killed him.

  188. Robert Karma Avatar
    Robert Karma

    I am a “liberal” in the traditional sense of the word. The modern ideology of Liberalism can be traced back to the Humanism which challenged the authority of the established church in Renaissance Europe, and more particularly to the 17th and 18th Century British and French Enlightenment thinkers, and the movement towards self-government in colonial America. Philosophers like Locke, Voltaire, Rousseau, Hume, Kant, and members of the Founding Fathers like Paine, Jefferson and Adams are the foundation of the Liberalism we practice. We are generally united by our support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and freedom of speech, limitations on the power of governments, the application of the rule of law, a regulated market economy and a transparent and democratic system of government.

    So while I may not agree with Mr. Stascavage on all of his points, he wrote nothing that was offensive or harmful. I agree with the spirit of this quote (attributed to Voltaire but actually written by a biographer, Evelyn Beatrice Hall), “I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” This has long been the Liberal position on Free Speech. I’d suggest reading about the Free Speech Movement that had its genesis at Berkeley in 1964. http://www.uic.edu/orgs/cwluherstory/jofreeman/sixtiesprotest/berkeley.htm It is not a principal of Liberalism to shut down or limit Free Speech because it might offend people. Liberals embrace vigorous debate between people with different opinions and worldviews. It is anathema to us to censor newspaper editorials, to deny groups the right to free expression (within the rules for all campus groups), to disinvite speakers to campus events (like graduation or for a show), etc., because it may offend some people. These college students are not being “liberal” in any sense of the word. Orwellian is the term that comes to mind where speech is labeled as being correct or incorrect based on the perceived offense it presents. If you go to college and you are never offended or never have your preconceived ideas and worldview challenged, you should demand a refund. If you want to see the damage caused by constantly being angry over a world that offends you, watch Fox News. They exist to express and generate outrage at perceived offenses to their right-wing conservative politically correct worldview. Let them be a warning to what you have become on campus when you only allow politically correct speech that doesn’t challenge or provoke you into thinking about the subject matter.

    Numerous articles have been written about the growth of on-campus political correctness run amok. This Time article summed it up well, “Campuses should be hotbeds for intellectual diversity—where ideas constantly are clashing, and students regularly are challenged to think critically, learn new ideas, and communicate their positions. Lots of conversations should be initiated, and policies should foster this interaction. Students should not be intellectually bubble-wrapped, shielded from any idea that they might find new or frightening. They shouldn’t be retreating to “safe spaces” and worse, our universities themselves shouldn’t become intellectually homogenous “safe spaces” where everyone marches to the same tune. The world does not work that way—nor should it—and universities do a disservice to their students by pretending otherwise. What will students do when they come to a situation in real life where there is no pre-arranged safe space with counselors into which to retreat when someone challenges their worldview? It’s as if some universities are more concerned with protecting students from having their feelings hurt or preventing them from having their views challenged than preparing them for the working world and teaching them how to think critically.” – http://time.com/3848947/dear-universities-there-should-be-no-safe-spaces-from-intellectual-thought/

    Learn to think for yourself through the use of critical inquiry otherwise you allow other people to do the thinking for you. That’s not freedom but rather mental slavery.

  189. Amy Zucker Morgenstern Avatar
    Amy Zucker Morgenstern

    I’m very disappointed that the student government has penalized the Argus for running this article (and don’t tell me that’s not what the defunding was about. I have a degree from Wesleyan–I’m not stupid). It’s thoughtful and delves into a controversial topic. I’m a big supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, so I don’t agree with everything Mr. Stascavage says–so? I didn’t go to Wesleyan to have all of my opinions confirmed by my professors, the other students, and the student newspaper. And it is not hate speech to challenge my beliefs.

    If someone wants to write an op-ed piece arguing against Mr. Stascavage’s points, they should do so and the Argus should run it. That’s responsible journalism. Avoiding the expression of any minority opinion (as his is at Wesleyan at the moment) is not.

    Amy Zucker (1990) Morgenstern

  190. Tucker Flight Avatar
    Tucker Flight

    I’m not black but I am white. And I think this article is well written, balanced.

    But remember, I’m white, not black. Just a reminder.

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      Don’t worry, we can’t forget. The fact that you found the article to be balanced is a dead giveaway.

  191. Debbie Avatar
    Debbie

    BLM appears to be more concerned about Black criminals being able to ply their trade without interference from pesky police than it is with Black lives.

    When they make a violent thug like Michael Brown a favorite poster boy, chant for the deaths of police, express admiration for cop killers like Assata Shakur and cost Black lives by pressuring police to scale back aggressive policing in places like Baltimore where it’s needed, they should expect to be thought of like this.

    Lives of all decent people matter to me. The lives of violent thugs like Michael Brown don’t matter even a tiny bit to me — even if they happen to be Black.

  192. Caterina Avatar
    Caterina

    Students at Wesleyan College have apparently defunded The Argus in retaliation for this editorial. This is fascism. This contravenes the First Amendment. Regardless of how thoroughly the malignant ignorance of political correctness has spread through your mind, you have to stop and think about how you are contradicting the values that make up American life.

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      More nonsense about the First Amendment. Try reading it before commenting on it. College. Private college. Using student funds to pay for a publication. Nothing to do with the First Amendment.
      Gotta love the way the right wing always spouts inanities, and always gets the facts wrong.

  193. Connie Walker Avatar
    Connie Walker

    Too bad that the paper lost $17000 of their $30000 after students on campus got together to boycott the paper after column came out.
    You kiddos better wise up b4 u all find urselves homeless because ur parents lose their jobs & can’t pay for ur ” so called” college education…Don’t expect Uncle Sam to rescue u either.HE’S BROKE !

  194. justintime Avatar
    justintime

    America has a cancer in its belly and it’s called Obama. America is a pressure-cooker on the brink of exploding.

  195. N "Knows" Davis Avatar
    N “Knows” Davis

    Good article, and I am sorry that this newspaper is being punished for publishing a very fair article. I grew up in a country where free speech was a given and where on universities free speech was supported as a right given by our bill of rights.

    I am not sure what is happening here. Why would students who have an understanding of our government want to practice exactly one of the things we had a revolution over? Our freedom of speech and to have a free press is what we stand on.

    As for Black lives matters is concerned…they are right…there is a severe need for young black men to be in a safe place. We need to work on giving them their safety. Family values are important and more. I hope they learn to push for this safety without turning on all whites and police officers.

    1. Debbie Avatar
      Debbie

      “I hope they learn to push for this safety without turning on all whites and police officers…”

      Too late.

      BLM has demonstrated clearly that it only cares about the lives of violent thugs like Michael Brown who happen to be Black, and even then, only if they are killed by police.

  196. T Regiones Avatar
    T Regiones

    Until the the Good Cops start policing the Bad Cops there are no good cops. There is a well documented Blue Wall of Silence that protects Bad police officers from being outed by their peers. The author willfully left out this well known institutionalized phenomenon when suggesting that we are wrong to judge cops as a whole by the actions of a bad few. Then furthers the insult by suggesting that we treat the BLM group the same. They are not the same. The author is well aware of this. These deceptive tactics are common among white nationalist conservatives trying to deflect criticism of the status quo in this country. Maybe the author should go back to the drawing table and ask himself some uncomfortable questions regarding how free speech when free of facts is propaganda.

  197.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    A thoughtful article.

    Perhaps the most salient issue is unaddressable, given the recent fallout: if one is truly concerned with saving black lives, the police, along with “stop and frisk” tactics, are not the problem but part of the solution. As is “mass incarceration” as the BLM types put it—taking and keeping violent criminals off the street saves lives, the vast majority of them black lives.

    But BLM is not an organization that is truly interested in improving the lot of black Americans, anymore than the Occupy types cared about 99% of their fellow citizens.

    These outfits are engaged in economic and social rent-seeking through identity politics—a perfectly logical activity in a society that values even self-inflicted victimhood over values like character, hard work, and selflessness.

  198. Happycrank Avatar
    Happycrank

    What has made Wesleyan’s students so timid and afraid of controversy?

  199. Anthony Avatar
    Anthony

    A fair and reasonable essay by both an American veteran and 30 year old college student. Wish it were more Millennials similarly engaged in American societal vitals!

  200. Richard Terrelonge Avatar
    Richard Terrelonge

    Black lives matter is a group advocating for the right to life of Black Americans. The police have hierarchies and groups to advocate on their behalf. In the current environment In our country I don’t expect either side to spend much time looking out for the other sides interests. African Americans having faced dogs, fire hoses, batons, lynchings, castrations, amputations well understand that only strong resistance keeps the baser instincts of our majority brothers and sisters in check.

    The right to assemble and protest is enshrined in our constitution yet in Ferguson when peaceful protesters assembled to exercise their right they were met with the same type of force as one would I see in a combat zone. If lives matter or if black lives matter where was the right wing. When a cattle rancher in the west refused to pay his grazing fees the right was out with assault style weapons pointing at police threatening to kill them. Not a protest from the right. Say anything related to gun control and the right will quickly assert their second amendment rights to be used to stand up to the government meaning the police first followed by the military.

    This document from Wesleyan is the kind of manifesto we see issued prior to a campus wide killing spree and the administration rightfully reacted to restrain the instincts expressed here.

    1. Happycrank Avatar
      Happycrank

      If “black lives matter,” then what about the 110 blacks killed each week by other blacks?

      1. Drakken Avatar
        Drakken

        Statistics.

        1. Happycrank Avatar
          Happycrank

          People, oddly enough.

      2. BG Davis Avatar
        BG Davis

        What about the thousands of racist comments like yours every day?
        What’s your point? If any.

    2. Debbie Avatar
      Debbie

      It’s clear that BLM cares primarily about the lives of Blacks like Michael Brown who choose to become violent criminal thugs, which is why it will never be respected outside of “progressive” circles and enclaves.

      1. BG Davis Avatar
        BG Davis

        No, in fact to any honest, rational person it’s not clear at all, because it’s not true.

    3. Alex Avatar
      Alex

      “the right was out with assault style weapons pointing at police threatening to kill them” — Please stop spreading this lie. No one pointed weapons at the police officers or federal officials or threatened to kill them during that standoff

      “the kind of manifesto we see issued prior to a campus wide killing spree” — And please stop with the ridiculous hyperbole. This is so stupid it really needs no answer.

      1. BG Davis Avatar
        BG Davis

        “No one pointed weapons at the police officers or federal officials or threatened to kill them during that standoff”
        Gee, so all that media footage, complete with sound, was fake? Right.

  201. Neet Avatar
    Neet

    This is bad journalism. The official data on police killings in America shows that for the past couple decades, that number has never been steady. Yes, more officers were murdered in 2014 than 2013 but 2013 was a fluke– it was the safest year EVER for police. Researchers have concluded there is no evidence BLM increased killings of police. I cant believe this article would be published without taking 5 minutes to check those stats… You are perpetuating the same old media stereotypes. And, Black Lives Matter is not only protesting police brutality but also police harrasment. On a national average, black drivers are twice as likely to be stopped than white or hispanic drivers. Thats not happening because of a few rotten police– our police system is racist.

    I believe the real critique of BLM is that they are not doing enough to get thier message through to other races. Even the name of the movement has divided the races. At the end of the day, institutional racism is not going to end when a small, minority group stands up. The majority of people living under that system need to stand up.

  202.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Your civilization is dead. Long live mob rule.

  203. Nunya Beeswax Avatar
    Nunya Beeswax

    You don’t combat a dominant cultural narrative that says “Black people are always guilty” with a narrative that says “Black people are never guilty.” The cure for calumny is not hagiography, but the truth.

    The Oscar Grant case is not the Nate Wilks case is not the Yonas Alehegne case, and so on. There are obviously cases where police officers have engaged in brutality and needless killing, just as there are cases where it is not so easy to see who was at fault and cases where the police did what any reasonable person would expect them to do (pro tip : if you’re walking toward a police officer carrying a gun and you refuse to put it down when they tell you, expect to be shot).

  204. Mr. Reality Avatar
    Mr. Reality

    Good article.

  205. Oaklandish Avatar
    Oaklandish

    Greetings from Oakland, CA – home of the Black Panther Party (you college kids look that one up). Anyway, yes…black lives do matter. HOWEVER, with the high percentage of black-on-black violence, I often wonder why they are not reading their own t-shirts.

    1. Full Measure Avatar
      Full Measure

      Yes,

    2. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      Yeah, right. How about you, non-college dude, tell us why the Black Panther Party started in the first place?
      Again the tired racist argument that black criminals kill black people (wow! what a startling concept). And so for you that makes it OK for the police to kill unarmed black Americans.
      A great racist argument.

  206. Nnam Avatar
    Nnam

    This article is written by someone who has a lot to learn.

    1. SWalkerTTU Avatar
      SWalkerTTU

      Presumably that’s why he’s at Wesleyan.

  207. RR Avatar
    RR

    Somewhere in this country, 3 PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE.
    http://killedbypolice.net/

    So… you wanna bitch/complain that a couple dozen cops die each year? Okay. Any death is a tragedy. But we’re at nearly 1,000 citizens of this county that have died at the hands of police, as of today. If the “Black Lives Matter” people aren’t speaking up, who will?? YOU?? No, I don’t think so. Schmuck.

  208. Peter Gozenya Avatar
    Peter Gozenya

    gjhgjhg

  209. Full Measure Avatar
    Full Measure

    #LivesMatter #BehaviorMatters

  210.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    You are not a CONSERVATIVE if you could in any way support two ffaggots marrying. WTF would you be “conserving”? It’s like saying “I’m a pro-choice conservative”, they don’t go together, murdering babies is something that conservatives are trying to STOP. Jesus Christ specifically told you in Matthew 19:4-6 that MARRIAGE is BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. So how could you call yourself a “conservative” and be AGAINST that which Christ taught specifically? Since no one in their right mind in those days thought that what two perverts did to each other should be called marriage, WHY DO YOU THINK JESUS FELT THE NEED TO SPECIFICALLY SAY WHAT HE SAID? Obviously He could see what was coming down the pike, after liberal scum had softened up the country with their baby murdering and cries of TOLERANCE, and he wanted to PRE-EMPTIVELY weigh in!

    Every conservative should be like Kim Davis. But most of you are FAKE CHRISTIANS, and not saved at all BIBLICALLY, Acts 2:4, Acts 2:38, like Ms Davis IS. If the mistreatment of slaves was sufficient to cause “brother to rise against brother” in the Civil War, as it most definitely was, then how much more worth FIGHTING is the holocaust visited upon all races through abortion? Or the PERVERSION of the GOD GIVEN institution of MARRIAGE? The problem is that you really don’t represent the values that you claim to represent.

    1. Liz Avatar
      Liz

      As a Christian, I don’t support gay marriage, because God doesn’t, and so I agree with Kim Davis morally. If it was as simple as upholding the law, however, as a public servant, the decision would have to make would be whether to do the job she’s paid to do, or quit. The problem that few people seem to be addressing though, is that the “law” supporting gay marriage is not a LAWFUL “law”. Only an enabling act of Congress, the people’s representatives, can render a “Supreme” Court ruling enforceable law. So she was enforcing the law, according to the right that she had.

      1. DookerT Avatar
        DookerT

        What the hell are you talking about an act of congress can only make a court ruling enforceable? You have no clue what you are talking about. The supreme court reviews laws ALREADY passed by congress or in the constitution and interpret them as best they can upon the oaths they swear when they are appointed. The term “marriage” is not copyrighted, owned, or manifested by Christianity or any other religion on the planet. Religions can no longer co-opt marriage or its tenants. Denying persons the ability to marry, based solely on the fact they are the same biological sex, is denying them equal justice before the law, period, end of story. The rest is just babbling over the semantics of the term marriage, which for the rest of the adults in the room, is irrelevant.

    2. Glenn Hefley Avatar

      God? Who is this god person? Does he vote in this country? The United States does not recognize the laws of foreign dictators.

    3. DookerT Avatar
      DookerT

      This guy is either a well researched troll or fucking crazy. I have no doubt that real conservatives, say Ben Shapiro, would be embarrassed by someone like you.

  211.  Avatar

    Black Lives Matter; Take Pride In Parenting; End Our National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect; End Community Violence, Police Fear & Educator’s Frustrations

    During a February 2014 on-air discussion about “Gangsta Culture” with Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett (Google search discussion), Bill O’Reilly intelligently and compassionately talks about America’s expanding and shameful National Epidemic of Child Abuse & Neglect, aka Poverty, that for decades has deprived countless children from experiencing and enjoying a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    Besides O’Reilly and Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, how many Americans are addressing this topic that is at the core of most all the issues and social problems many Americans of African descent are today experiencing?

    Speaking At The Eulogy For The Honorable Reverend Clementa Pinckney, President Barack Obama said:

    “Perhaps it causes us to examine what we’re doing to cause some of our children to hate.” (Applause.)

    Video Excerpt from Obama Remarks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_GwYI7MnQ

    With all due respect to my American neighbors supporting the Black Lives Matter movement, I believe your cause would better serve all Americans if your organization were to honestly, openly and compassionately address our National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect, aka Poverty that for decades has deprived untold numbers of depressed children from experiencing and enjoying a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    I strongly suggest members of the Black Lives Matter target communities that have embraced The Street Culture Baltimore Mom of The Year Toya Graham desperately struggles to keep her son from embracing.

    In his 2015 Grammy award winning Rap Performance titled “I”, Kendrick Lamar writes, “I’ve been dealing with depression ever since an adolescent.”

    During a January 20, 2011 LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick, born in 1987, the same year songwriter Suzanne Vega wrote a song about child abuse and *VICTIM DENIAL* that was nominated for a Grammy award, he told the interviewer:

    “Lamar’s parents moved from Chicago to Compton in 1984 with all of $500 in their pockets. “My mom’s one of 13 [THIRTEEN] siblings, and they all got SIX kids, and till I was 13 everybody was in Compton,” he says.”

    “I’m 6 years old, seein’ my uncles playing with shotguns, sellin’ dope in front of the apartment. My moms and pops never said nothing, ’cause they were young and living wild, too. I got about 15 stories like ‘Average Joe.’”

    It seems evident to me Kendrick identified the source of his depression, the roots of poverty, the child abuse/maltreatment that prevented him, his brothers, sisters, cousins, neighborhood friends, elementary and JHS classmates from enjoying a fairly happy, safe Average Joe and Josie American kid childhood.

    Seems the adults responsible for raising the children in Kendrick’s immediate and extended family placed obstacles in their children’s way, causing their kids to deal with challenges and stresses young minds are not prepared to deal with….nor should they or any other children be exposed to and have to deal with.

    It seems evident to me these PARENTAL INTRODUCED obstacles and challenges cause some developing children’s minds to become tormented and go haywire, not knowing OR NOT CARING ABOUT right from wrong…because as they mature, young victims of child abuse realize their parents introduced them to a life of pain and struggle, totally unlike the mostly safe, happy life the media showed them many American kids were enjoying. RESENTMENT

    I cannot speak for anyone else, but if I was raised in Kendrick’s family I would most likely be silently peeved at my parents for being immature irresponsible “living wild” adults who deprived me of a safe, happy childhood.

    Though like many victims of child abuse, most likely I would deny my parents harmed me, seeking to blame others for the pain my parents caused to me.

    I wonder how little Kendrick and his classmates reacted when their elementary school teacher introduced the DARE presenter and they learned about the real dangers of drugs and how they harm people, including their parents? *Cognitive Dissonance*

    In a Oct 25, 2012, LAWeekly interview (Google search) Kendrick talks about being a SIX-YEAR-OLD child who was not able to trust and rely on his mom…essentially he speaks about being emotionally abandon by his own mom.

    Growing up during the 60-70s I listened to virtually ALL American music artists of African descent writing beautiful songs admiring, praising, wooing, lamenting, respecting and loving the MATERNAL HALF of our population.

    I am curious to know if members and supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement have wondered why for the past three decades, many popular American music performers of African descent have been characterizing the maternal half of our population as *itches and *hores…essentially less than human creatures or people not worthy of respect?

    Honestly, I have a feeling most BLM supporters don’t have the strength or will to face the truth about who is responsible for filling our prisons with depressed, angry, frustrated, sometimes suicidal teens and young men who were victims of early childhood abuse and neglect at the hands of immature teen girls and women who irresponsibly begin building families before acquiring the skills, PATIENCE and means to properly raise a fairly happy American kid who enjoys Safe Street to travel and play on.

    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke offers sound advice to all Americans, “Fix the ghetto!”

    I’m with Sheriff Clarke. I believe we also need to re-examine society’s child protection and welfare laws.

    I am hoping when camera technology proves its worth in protecting police officers, as well as identifying officers who require further training or officers who have no business serving the public in a LE capacity, we will use that same technology to protect children by monitoring the common area of homes in which caregivers have established a track record for failing to properly raise, nurture and/or supervise their children.

    Recently I watched a video that saddened me as well as enlightened me when I learned child welfare investigators test the hair of child abuse victims for “ambient” exposure to drugs.

    Holy smokes, the numbers were critical. At the least cameras would expose signs of intoxication in homes identified as requiring extra care to prevent children from being emotionally and or physically harmed.

    If we do not take affirmative action to protect children, “the ghetto” will continue to thrive, fueled by poor parenting, resulting with depressed kids maturing into depressed, sometimes suicidal teens and adults who often vent their angers and frustrations on their peaceful neighbors, instead of the person(s) responsible for introducing them to a life of hardship, pain and struggle.

    This video depicts horrific examples of men who were victims of childhood abuse and neglect, conditioning a young teen to embrace the criminal, anti-social ‘Street Culture’ Baltimore Mom of The Year failed to protect her teen son from…not to mention representing the fear peaceful people living and WORKING in the community experience knowing depressed, angry, unpredictable, sometimes suicidal teens and young adults need to vent their angers and frustrations for being introduced to a life of pain and struggle by irresponsible, “living wild” single moms and/or dads.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ChOLiJa8k

    This is a recorded act of criminal child abuse, maltreatment and violence against…”A little girl, catching a cool breeze from an air conditioning unit in the yard, was blindsided by another child about her same age, who had evidently had some practice with fighting fierce. The small victim wasn’t alone, as there were plenty of nearby witnesses, who could have protected her but didn’t because they were too busy recording the brutal beat down and encouraging it.” | Written By Amanda Shea

    What I see in this recorded act of criminal child abuse, is adults conditioning children to embrace the cycle of child abuse, child maltreatment and violence passed down from generation to generation by depressed Americans who are content living in the poverty they are primarily responsible for fueling when irresponsibly birthing children from selfishness, instead of the love between two committed adult partners.

    https://www.facebook.com/mediatakeout/videos/vb.731743396857610/1037463359618944/

    NY Times May 18, 2015 – Rise in Suicide by Black Children Surprises Researchers

    Quoting the NYT article, “The suicide rate among black children has nearly doubled since the early 1990s, surpassing the rate for white children, a new study has found.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/health/suicide-rate-for-black-children-surged-in-2-decades-study-says.html

    Who or what is responsible for traumatizing, abusing, neglecting, maltreating children to the point where depressed young kids believe their lives are not worth living?

    With all due respect to my American neighbors of African descent, the oppression of humans that led to racism and slavery has largely been replaced with a new form of human oppression that impedes and deprives many American children from experiencing and enjoying a safe, fairly happy American kid childhood.

    #TakePrideInParenting
    #EndChildAbuseNeglect
    #ProtectKidsFromIrresponsibleCaregivers
    oo-

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      Right. So all this means that it’s OK for the police to kill unarmed black civilians. Right.

      1. Guest121 Avatar
        Guest121

        I’ve noticed your comments all throughout this thread, and after reading this one, I feel the need to say something. Could you realistically perceive the original comment as being anti-BLM or by being pro cop-killing? I think you could. Realistically speaking, I can see where you might have gotten that. I can’t say I agree, but I also can’t blame you. The purpose of the initial comment was hardly touching on the actual issues BLM is trying to stop. They stated that they believed the BLM movement would be better served fighting child abuse and neglect over police brutality. Their mentality was that the reason kids (black or otherwise) grow bitter, lash out and commit crimes is because they grew up in a neglectful or abusive home. I won’t claim to agree with all of their points, but I think that general idea is spot on. By bringing an end to child abuse, we stand to see a drop in crime. This drop in crime will possibly (hopefully) bring an end to the stereotype “black people are criminals”. It has to deal more with the root cause of an issue; being proactive over being reactive. Of course people getting killed by police is a problem. It’s a huge problem, and it’s one that needs to be solved. I think the best solution is to combat both; and Black Lives Matter, with their impressive rally turnout and rather membership numbers, could really make that happen. Someone in another comment pointed out that BLM is responsible for the increased presence of video cameras and recorders being utilized in the police field. That is an amazing accomplishment! I think if BLM made that happen, then they could really tackle the issue of child abuse and neglect.

  212. Tim Avatar
    Tim

    What I’ve seen of the BLM crowd are obnoxious, loud-mouthed bullies who don’t want to have a conversation….they want to have a CONFRONTATION.

    I agreed with everything they said about cops targeting blacks unfairly; but when I brought up that waaaaaaay more blacks are killed by other blacks each day, I then became a bigot who ‘didn’t understand’ the problem because I was white.

    In other words, they profiled me because of my color.

    Now, WHY should I support such a racist group?

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      No, they responded to your deflection. Yes, blacks are killed by black thugs. That does not mean that the police have the right to kill unarmed black civilians. Unless you think that the police should be thugs also. Or that unarmed black civilians are fair game.

      1. ernie cohen Avatar
        ernie cohen

        The problem is that police kill Black and White civilians in the same proportion as the rest of society does. So the numbers argue pretty convincingly that, on the whole, they aren’t discriminating based on race.

  213. 4aCo-operationation Avatar
    4aCo-operationation

    The problem is blm is founded by racists who can’t change their spots; their deeply flawed presumption that racism is a major problem factor in our judical system; when economics is by far the main corrupter and the real problem guarantees they will fail to achieve anything positive or longlasting that is good. They lack the understanding of the difference in types of civil disobediance such as boycotting and protesting a business that has racist policies: and disrupting the general public: And they justify; even lionize, criminal elements over all those who believe in orderly peaceful Assembly and the Right to Free Speech; openly threatening not only law enforcement but disorder; while issuing blanket accusations against all white people with never ending demands of payment for some generalized offense going hundreds if not thousands of years based on skin color. They are inciting riot; looting, arson, and everything that comes from them; they will never be a part of any civilized society; because quite to the contrary, they are the enemies of it.

  214. Wdcg Avatar
    Wdcg

    I agree with you completely. The only thing I can’t understand is that when a police officer kills a person, the benefit of the doubt goes to the police officer starting from the police chief down to the police union and conservatives. Can we start with an independent investigation, a jury trial of necessary and asking for the police departments to be open with all the facts and data. Whenever I hear in a press conference after a police officer kills someone that the police officer was correct in shooting a person, I distrust that statement and the police. Could it be that the police officer even acting in good faith made a mistake? But all I hear from conservatives is that that isn’t possible. I think that’s where the BLM starts because they feel they aren’t getting any justice and are automatically seen as at fault.

  215. Loeil Alice Avatar
    Loeil Alice

    Bravo for asking the question! QUESTIONS CAN NOT BECOME TABOU IN A FREE SOCIETY. carry on, and good luck!

  216. Antonia Townsend Avatar

    A thoughtful article that raises good points. I’ll be sending in a donation to Wesleyan this year earmarked for the Argus (in response to the curtailed funding of the paper.) Or perhaps I should pay to advertise my business in the Argus. Would the Argus take advertising dollars from an alum selling sexy lingerie?
    Antonia Townsend, ’93

    Founder, Enclosed
    http://www.TheEnclosed.com

    1. Stephanie Dukich Avatar
      Stephanie Dukich

      Funny how all of your models are white women.

  217. Tatiana Covington Avatar
    Tatiana Covington

    Grow up. You’ll be out of that five-year playpen someday. And you’ll have to work for a living!!!

  218. Cat Camille Avatar
    Cat Camille

    I’m also black and I find no issues with this article. As a matter of fact, it brings up some important points that should be questioned and entertained. I support Black Lives Matter but I also believe there are ignorant people that can take this issue…on both sides…way to the left or way to the right. Articles like this SHOULD spark conversation and debate; it is also necessary for the course of gaining understanding of varying view points.

  219. Jason Coogler Avatar
    Jason Coogler

    Pretty well reasoned article. As far as media coverage, until the public realizes that with 24 hour news cable channels now, the media has more interest in stirring up controversy and conflict than actual factual, reasoned news reporting, the country will continue to be largely polarized.

  220. The Maryland Myth Avatar

    Wow. So this is the article that got the Argus slammed? I expected far worse. I feel bad for the kids who ran this story.

  221. thubten Avatar
    thubten

    this opinion seems very balanced.why was the Argus punished?

  222. Tijan Avatar
    Tijan

    There are minority groups in every country. Enlightened people understand it is just for a society to defend them. Seeking to discredit (or even caste doubt upon) a movement that defends the rights of the minority is just being a bully.

  223. cfst Avatar
    cfst

    My compliments to the author on a solid student op-ed. It’s truly a sad state of affairs when a thoughtful, nuanced piece such as this rouses the ire of the thought police. They lack the intellectual capital and discipline to debate your ideas, so their only resort is to censorship and bullying. The attempts to defund this publication are truly disgraceful.

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      Thoughtful and nuanced? More like illogical and self-contradictory.

      1. DookerT Avatar
        DookerT

        What, in any way, is illogical and self-contradictory about this story? It’s just pointing out some obvious hypocrisy and whether or not the BLM movement is actually moving in a healthy direction.

  224. Curtis Robinson Avatar
    Curtis Robinson

    You’re missing the point.

    Michael Smith was spot on with his words. One of the issues BLM is fighting against is an entire system of policing by which those “bad apples” are covered for by the criminal justice system and never truly brought down. We’ve seen many people, specifically those young and Black, get brutalized by those “bad apples” during arrests and stuffed into jails at higher rates compared to their White counterparts for the same crimes.

    BLM also fights against an entire history and culture of this nation which values White lives over Black ones. There has not been a single moment in this nation where some minority of color has not felt the effect, generationally, culturally, society-wise, wealth-wise, etc., of what policies such as Jim Crow and redlining have done to harm colored communities.

    BLM IS a very decentralized movement by which its supporters share the same idea – The successful advancement of Black people from where they are now by ensuring that Black lives truly matter in our society. However, not everyone can agree on the “How” that will be done. So yes, there are people somewhat extreme or even prejudiced that claim BLM along with many other “moderate” activists which you seem to say. But let us not forget that Booker T. Washington coexisted with W.E.B DuBois or that Martin Luther King coexisted with Malcolm X. So it does worry me, also as a Black individual, that you express your “disapproval” without actually giving thought of background as to how this movement started or even why it exists in the first place: “If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message, then I will not support the movement, I cannot support the movement”.

    I highly encourage you that you read “Herstory” by one of the founders of the movement, Alicia Garza, as it explains the true central idea of the cause. Hopefully this will turn you’re seemingly negative moderate disapproval, to positive moderate contribution instead.

    1. Drakken Avatar
      Drakken

      Keep pushing you hate whitey message and the backlash you should fear will come to pass. If you want a gander of what it will look like, just look at the Balkans. So keep pushing that whitey is racist, like the little boy who cried wolf(racist) one too many times, the wolf will soon eat well and the villages will lose their village idiots.

    2. Lisa Montez Avatar
      Lisa Montez

      The heated rhetoric that the BLM movement keeps pushing will ensure a continuation of this so-called generational racist. I don’t mean to denigrate real racism but, it seems that the people with the loudest voices want the racism to continue. We realize it exists but let’s get on with our lives. Why must some people keep with the woe-is-me meme? Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, and others don’t seem to want racism to die a natural death. Most of us are trying (letting) America evolve into a color-blind society. But some people just don’t want that. I think that’s tragic!

      1. Curtis Robinson Avatar
        Curtis Robinson

        If you realize racism exists, and by that I mean the same social system that hasn’t changed which now leads to more Black people being arrested at higher rates for the same crimes as Whites, then you’d already know that the one’s speaking the loudest are most likely the ones most affected by it. Why allow a disease like that to develop while you “close your eyes”?

      2. BG Davis Avatar
        BG Davis

        “We realize it exists but let’s get on with our lives.”
        Well. Lisa, the problem is that the unarmed black Americans killed by the police don’t really have the ability to get on with their lives, since those lives have been forcibly terminated. Is that really so hard to understand? And other unarmed black Americans quite logically do tend to feel just a tad apprehensive about their own safety.
        If you think the US is even remotely close to being a color-blind society you really need to get out more. And pay attention to the words and actions of white people in places ranging from Miami Beach to Missouri to La Jolla CA.
        BTW, congratulations for managing to get in the anti-Obama trollery.

  225. ShlomoShunn Avatar
    ShlomoShunn

    When will black lives start mattering to blacks?

    From 1939-45 Germany and England were at each other’s throats. Since then each has rebuilt, become strong again, and now work together.

    Blacks in America were freed from slavery 152 years ago and STILL remain at the bottom of society.

    When people hear about white flashmobs they think of dancing in an Antwerp train station. When they think of black flashmobs they think of stories being robbed.

    Blacks are thought to be loud, rude, crude, and lewd…a group that celebrates thug-life and coarse music. The world views American blacks as a violent, uneducated, work-averse, Ebonics-speaking group that kills its member in large numbers and has 75% of kids out of wedlock. They see blacks standing on street corners drinking all day; living for generations on welfare; becoming ever-more obese and obtuse; burning their own cities when angry; and being led by race-hustlers with greedy hands out.

    Until blacks own up to their own failings and work to improve themselves, things will just worsen. Plus more and more whites are getting angry, fed-up with black crime, buying guns for any signs of a race war.

    Atop all that, illegals are flooding the nation, taking jobs blacks once held. And browns often move blacks out when the former arrive in sufficient numbers.

    There’s a reason no one screams, “OMG! The Amish are moving into our neighborhood!”

    1. BG Davis Avatar
      BG Davis

      What a delightfully racist rant.

  226. duffy91 Avatar
    duffy91

    Good article, nice balance.

  227. BG Davis Avatar
    BG Davis

    Boy is this guy dishonest. First he says: “An organization cannot be labeled based of a small percentage of their membership.” Then he goes on to say, “If vilification and denigration of the police force continues to be a significant portion of Black Lives Matter’s message…”
    Well, dude, it’s not “a significant portion.” It’s a small percentage.
    And it’s ridiculous to compare the killing of a police officer by some thug to the killing of an unarmed civilian by a police officer. Thugs by definition don’t obey the law. Police officers are supposed to uphold the law. Murder is always bad, but it adds a disturbing dimension when the forces of law and order commit murder. And when the victims of official murder are disproportionately black, the element of racism is also added.
    Bottom line: another biased commentary by someone pretending to be rational and neutral. His essay fails the logic test–for obvious reasons.

  228. John Lindsay Avatar

    All the author of the article above proved is….he has no idea why Black Lives Matter exists.

    One of the most immature and just plain WRONG articles I’ve ever read.
    SMFH.

    Every single point he made can easily be blown apart by my 14- and 15-year old nieces.
    What a dunce.

  229. dolive Avatar
    dolive

    There should have been a counter opinion piece to this article. The writer’s point of view is that of a privileged, white male. Given that demographic, of course you see the police as good people just doing their jobs. The police protect you and your community. That is not the case for black youth living in urban areas where they are deemed criminals or gunned down just for walking down the street. Also, talking to a single person involved in the Black Lives Matter movement is hardly thorough journalism. These activists have been a catalyst for police accountability, the launch of nonpartisan, community police review boards, and the firing of government officials who have allowed police brutality to go on. All of which are positive responses to a system that is out of control.

  230. Adam Manno Avatar
    Adam Manno

    “Is it worth it?” Are you serious? While I agree that this op-ed should have been published without harm being infringed on the paper or the student, this white kid has no idea what systemic and historical problems have led to people wanting to mobilize in this way. Like he said himself, it’s not easy to get out of your house and protest for just anything. No one in the movement is calling for the killing of any police officer, so that entire point (on which the entire article seems to rest on) is moot.

  231. Alex Gibson Avatar
    Alex Gibson

    While I do not agree with most of the points in the article I do believe that there is evidence behind some of them. I think instead of the paper being punished as it was and offering an apology to those who had their feeling offended by these debatable points the should have been some counter argument posted the next week. I do appreciate how the author instead of bashing BLM completely they go about in a more polite way and he seems to have done his research. He not only spoke to a police officer but all spoke to someone who is a supporter of BLM. Personally as someone who did debate through high school and college i am disappointed to see how the article was received and punished because this is a prime debate topic that has multiple opinions. Also to those in the comments along with me instead of hating on the author because of his point of view, Debate with him as maybe he will see things differently or you will come to learn something new.

  232. James Avatar
    James

    “Kim Davis, the misguided clerk who is refusing to hand out marriage licenses, is a perfect example of this. As a conservative, it is infuriating to see one clerk in one city out of the thousands in conservative states making headlines, when the rest are handing out licenses with no issue.” — Bryan Stascavage

    Good point, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and that’s not always fair. But then fast-forward to today, some two years since this article was written. The twice disgraced judge Roy Moore just won a senate primary in Alabama and is likely to be the state’s next senator. Here is a man who put imposing his personal prejudices and religious beliefs ahead of the law and his oath to the Constitution. A man who, if he had his druthers, would criminalize homosêxual relations.

    I digress.

    I totally agree that the Black Lives Matter movement overall has a legitimate complaint. I firmly believe that unnecessary police violence and a criminal justice system which enables it is a serious problem in this country and that major reforms in law-enforcement, police training, and the justice system is needed. I’ve strongly argued this in the past.

    That said, I will not support or excuse some of the tactics being employed by some in the BLM movement {violence, riots, looting, shutting down highways, vilification of law-enforcement broadly}.

    Mr. Smith is quite right, “You can’t judge an entire movement off the actions of a few extremists.” You can, however, hold a movement or organization accountable when it refuses to weed out or even protects the bad actors in their midst. Mr. Smith might just agree with this as BLM seems to hold this attitude when it comes to law-enforcement. And in many cases it is true, there is a fair amount of this sort of circling the wagons going on both within many law-enforcement agencies and certainly within police unions, as well as in the Black Lives Matter movement.

    If they can deal with this and stick to some of the more moderate solutions I’ve seen put forth then more power to them, otherwise, in some ways I think they’re doing more harm than good.

  233. Truth Matters Avatar
    Truth Matters

    Bryan Stascavage is being generous, however misguided. He is not taking the bull by the horns. Hence wrong thinking goes unchallenged, that is the real shame. The problems of BLM is not a matter of a small percentage. It is the whole platform. The BLM movement — as a whole — has purposefully vilified and denigrated the police. And through the police, all “whiteness” as inherently racist. They cherry pick statistics and do not care or even believe TRUTH MATTERS. Something many of us believe has to be allowed to eventually win out over lies and distortion.

    A select number of deaths are held up as symbolic of police brutality as a whole. That is the aim, . Furthermore, the movement — as a whole — are purposely saying it is about systemic white racism. So the police become the weakest link for trying to tear down all white racism somehow. Yet no analysis of the statistics or counter attacks on the problem are allowed to be considered. All thinking people who care about building up rather than simply tearing down in anger and hate need to call out.the assumptions and destructive distortions of the movement as a whole. Whoever in the movement that believes truth matters first and foremost — not the same old bullying ideology coming out of the universities — should step forward and say so and stand up for truth first. Do an actual study of the situation on the ground; present a fresh perspective of the present situation. NO MORE IDEOLOGY masquerading as truth.

  234. Darren Avatar
    Darren

    Black lives matter is a hate white people organization has nothing to do with black lives matter example there has been some black on black murder in Tulsa, Oklahoma our police chief got on locale news because they were trying to get the gun violence stopped our chief which is black called out black lives matter and said if black lives matter why are you not on the news to condem this violence if it had been white people involved in this violence then black lives matter would have been all over the news egging on black people to hate white people and weather intentional or not they let the black people know we’re to go and loot business so black lives matter needs to change there name to hate white people I would just like to know when are people going to stand up against the haters and do the rite thing Al sharpton got away with a hate crime the day he held a rally and changed what do we want dead cops when we want them now if a white man had done that he would have been thrown in jail for a hate crime and since when do we let a group of black people change history because of something that was not good but all history is not good and today there are not any black people alive that had to go through slavery and just one thing to mention about the town I live in I live in Tulsa and the race riot in 1921 was exactly that a riot started by the 75 armed black men in front of the Tulsa court house fired shots that part of the story is left out and the most stupidest thing I have ever herd is they think I owe them something when they or me had nothing to do with it and the craziest thing is they are sueing the city for something that they started and even more stupid is they are sueing themselves whe they sue the city shame on people for wanting something for nothing and sueing themselves let’s work on making race relations better not making it worse by these stupid groups and people that teach hate white people or black people let’s just figure out how to solve it here is a start stop the hate groups like black lives matter and kkk and Al sharpton Louis Farrakhan quite the hate and quite giving these people any kind of publicity and that will make a good start

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